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jar
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Message 1 of 14 (822377)
10-23-2017 8:36 PM


Which nations did the US drop nuclear bombs on?

On which nation did the US drop the most nuclear bombs?

Does the US know where all of it's nuclear bombs are stored?

Why should we know about Tybee Island?


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Message 2 of 14 (822390)
10-24-2017 3:06 AM
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10-23-2017 8:36 PM


Questions Answered
Which nations did the US drop nuclear bombs on?

As far as I know, we only dropped two on Japan, though we tested many within our own territories.
On which nation did the US drop the most nuclear bombs?
Not counting Japan, probably ourselves. Again, they were tests, however.

Does the US know where all of it's nuclear bombs are stored?
I would surely hope so.

Why should we know about Tybee Island?
I have no idea.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


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Message 3 of 14 (822391)
10-24-2017 3:31 AM
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10-24-2017 3:06 AM


Re: Questions Answered
Phat responds to jar:

quote:
quote:
Why should we know about Tybee Island?

I have no idea.

The US Air Force accidentally dropped a nuclear bomb there. It didn't go off, but it was never recovered.

In a training exercise in 1958, a fighter collided with a bomber. The bomber managed to remain air-worthy, but the crew requested permission to jettison the bomb as it posed a detonation risk should the emergency landing be difficult. The bomb fell into the ocean but did not detonate.

The Air Force claims that it didn't have a nuclear core, so it posed no nuclear threat, though the rest of it posed an explosive threat and thus the request to jettison. This is backed up by documentation when the bomb was loaded that it had a dummy capsule. However, testimony in Congress by the Assistant Secretary of Defense said that it had a plutonium core (one of only two at the time). But then again, regulations at the time prevented test flights with nuclear cores.

Searches were made and claims of increased radiation were put forward, but further investigation indicates that the radiation seems to come from natural minerals in the area.

Now, to jar: Are you implying something sinister? Vaguebooking is never appreciated.


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Message 4 of 14 (822392)
10-24-2017 8:13 AM
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10-24-2017 3:06 AM


Re: Questions Answered
Phat writes:

As far as I know, we only dropped two on Japan, though we tested many within our own territories.

Actually, we dropped four in Spain, others in North and South Carolina, one missing somewhere in the Mediterranean, several accidentally destroyed in crashes off the US Pacific Coast and at airports in California among other sites.

Phat writes:

Not counting Japan, probably ourselves. Again, they were tests, however.

But most were not tests but accidents.

Phat writes:

I would surely hope so.

Except we kinda don't. The one dropped in South Carolina has never been found, the one in the Med has never been found, the one off Tybee has never been found, the one off the Pacific NW has never been recovered....and those are some of the acknowledged examples.

The record has not been good but so far the safety feature and procedures have kept us from a major incident. The bombs and hardware are old though. Incidents like the recent US Naval Ship collisions has made questioning training and staffing reasonable. The bomber deterrent was initially dropped because it posed greater accident risk and less security than the Nuclear Missile Submarines.

So before putting nuclear bombs back in the skies over us maybe we need to be sure the hardware, training and procedures offer sufficient assurances of safety to offset the risk.

But is that analysis actually being done?


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Message 5 of 14 (822403)
10-24-2017 10:53 AM
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10-24-2017 8:13 AM


Re: Questions Answered
This is really scary, and most of the public have no idea (and likely don't care) until and unless a major accident happens. We are long overdue for an honest confrontation with nuclear bombs. I am starting to feel uncomfortable with the verbal brinksmanship of politics when they juggle things like bombs and missiles around as if they are game pieces on a chessboard. A cornered rat will always fight, and Kim Jong Un wont simply stop doing what he is doing if backed into a corner.

And it seems as if the US is behaving irrationally and living in the past rather than facing the reality of the present moment.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 6 of 14 (822409)
10-24-2017 12:28 PM
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10-24-2017 10:53 AM


Re: Questions Answered
Phat writes:

... living in the past....


Back in the 60s we used to see the contrails of multi-engine aircraft flying due north over Canada. The obvious question was, "What's up there that anybody would conceivably want to go to?" The answer was Russia and the aircraft were B-52s (potentially) carrying nuclear weapons. As it turns out, we were probably in more danger from American broken arrows than we were from Russia.

And we used to have an air-raid siren in the playground of our school.


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Message 7 of 14 (822442)
10-25-2017 10:08 AM
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10-23-2017 8:36 PM


Being Prepared For What?
The larger question that we as a society must ask ourselves is how best to prepare for a future getting along with rather than intimidating or being intimidated by the rest of the globe. The current group in power is anti-globalist, nationalist, and not very bright. Some believe that the government and military of the United States have always existed to protect the interests of the wealthy first of all. Is this true, even partially?

We need to ask larger questions. Fear is used as a method of control, and our population is being fed fear more often with this administration than with the previous one. Take North Korea. Are they a threat? Yes, and No. They theoretically could cause extreme damage to US interests or to the country itself, but only at the cost of their own lives. But it seems that we are the stupid ones. We spend billions and even trillions on our military. Outdated equipment is only part of the problem. And whats sad is that the average American is not concerned about the interconnectedness of the world...only in preserving an America that is a ghost of the past and which no longer exists or more likely never existed.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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jar
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Message 8 of 14 (822448)
10-25-2017 10:44 AM
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10-25-2017 10:08 AM


Re: Being Prepared For What?
Phat writes:

Some believe that the government and military of the United States have always existed to protect the interests of the wealthy first of all. Is this true, even partially?

Are you familiar with "commutation fees"? Why not?

Phat writes:

We need to ask larger questions. Fear is used as a method of control, and our population is being fed fear more often with this administration than with the previous one. Take North Korea. Are they a threat? Yes, and No. They theoretically could cause extreme damage to US interests or to the country itself, but only at the cost of their own lives. But it seems that we are the stupid ones. We spend billions and even trillions on our military. Outdated equipment is only part of the problem. And whats sad is that the average American is not concerned about the interconnectedness of the world...only in preserving an America that is a ghost of the past and which no longer exists or more likely never existed.

The goal of terrorism is to provoke the enemy into overreaction; to get the enemy to spend billions to counter a $200.00 threat.

It works.


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Message 9 of 14 (822468)
10-25-2017 3:41 PM
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10-25-2017 10:08 AM


Re: Being Prepared For What?
Phat writes:

Fear is used as a method of control, and our population is being fed fear more often with this administration than with the previous one.


Maybe you should make America great again by remembering that the only thing you have to fear is fear itself.
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Message 10 of 14 (822509)
10-26-2017 6:28 PM
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10-23-2017 8:36 PM


The Reliable Old B-52
HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH IS THE B-52 STILL IN SERVICE? According to what I have read, the B-52s will be used up until at least 2040. They are structurally sound and have many upgrades in the technology. In some ways, they are more trustworthy than a multi-billion dollar replacement.

The articles suggest that money has been spent to upgrade the old bombers.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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jar
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Message 11 of 14 (822510)
10-26-2017 7:44 PM
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10-26-2017 6:28 PM


Re: The Reliable Old B-52
Too funny.

HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH IS THE Xian H-6 STILL IN SERVICE?

But wait, there's more. There is the Xian H-8 & H-9 & H-10 & H20...

Look them up.


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Message 12 of 14 (822526)
10-27-2017 12:20 AM
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Re: The Reliable Old B-52
HOW ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH IS THE B-52 STILL IN SERVICE?

When I was in the war (ie, active duty Air Force), ours was the only 24-hour shop in the Bomb Wing, so the B-52 crews came to us to turn in their flight bags into a secure place after hours. Even then (end of the 1970's) they would comment that their plane was older than they were and should have hit mandatory retirement by then if it were a person. Last we were hearing towards the end of my enlistment (1982), all the B-52's were going to be gathered together so that the many could be cannabalized to keep the few flying. Apparently we haven't come to that.


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Message 13 of 14 (822527)
10-27-2017 1:54 AM
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10-26-2017 6:28 PM


Re: The Reliable Old B-52
quote:
Of the 744 B-52s Boeing built between 1952 and 1962, 76 remain in active service.

as long as support aircraft can protect them from attack, the planes will be ok. Additionally, I suspect that they wont be equipped with nukes...though I could be wrong.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 14 of 14 (822532)
10-27-2017 6:47 AM


To me those things should be used to drop contraceptives all over the world. Fewer children would eventually result in more educated children.

If you can't feed them; don't breed them.

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