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Phat
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Message 1 of 7 (823768)
11-16-2017 1:12 PM


This thread is a continuation of our ongoing discussions regarding gun violence, gun control pro and con, and gun use and abuse incidents that seem all too common in our society today.

The prior two threads were:
Gun Control

Gun Control Again

Please start fresh and do not carry any old feuds or arguments over from prior gun control topics. ~Admin Phat
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Speaking personally, I observe that we live in a violent society, one that is often on edge. Witness road rage incidents, mentally disturbed mass shooters, and the growing number of victims. Although a global problem, the NRA and the gun lobby make the United States a unique case. Were I a hunter, perhaps I would feel differently about owning guns. I am not a pacifist, but I DO think that gun violence is getting out of hand in America.

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Phat
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Message 2 of 7 (823772)
11-16-2017 1:40 PM


Senators Introduce Bipartisan Deal For Gun Purchases
This in todays news from NPR: Senators Introduce Bipartisan Deal To Tighten Reporting For Gun Purchases

The bill is supported by a total of four Democrats and four Republicans.

quote:
The bill is meant to "ensure federal and state authorities comply with existing law and accurately report relevant criminal history records" to databases used in gun-purchase background checks. It "penalizes federal agencies who fail to properly report relevant records and incentivizes states to improve their overall reporting" while providing more funding to track domestic violence.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

  
Phat
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Message 3 of 7 (823806)
11-17-2017 10:05 AM


Supply & Demand
I'm all for common sense gun control legislation. Our longtime and now inactive member Crashfrog once commented:
Frog writes:

In the US, though, even if you banned guns tomorrow there'd still be 80 guns per every 100 people, or more than 2.5 million firearms. If you want to reduce the number of guns, you're talking about a program to confiscate guns, primarily from people who have not ever used them to any harmful purpose. Even in a country with no Second Amendment, we'd still have the Fourth Amendment, so how could such a program be legal?

I'm wondering what would happen with these existing guns....would the law of supply and demand make them more expensive?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 4 of 7 (823807)
11-17-2017 10:45 AM
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11-17-2017 10:05 AM


Re: Supply & Demand
I'm wondering what would happen with these existing guns....would the law of supply and demand make them more expensive?

Yes, it would. In fact, we have examples of that now. The banning of sales of assault rifles has made the ones currently in circulation very expensive.

Banning guns, if that were even possible, would over time reduce the number of guns around. Arguments that we cannot get rid of all of them are not really reasons to get rid of none of them.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

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Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

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Message 5 of 7 (823809)
11-17-2017 10:57 AM
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11-17-2017 10:05 AM


Re: Supply & Demand
Phat writes:

I'm all for common sense gun control legislation.


You can't have common sense gun control legislation in a nation that has no common sense about guns.
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Phat
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Message 6 of 7 (823811)
11-17-2017 11:30 AM
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11-17-2017 10:57 AM


If Shootings Become More Common What Then?
As an example, a murder in Chicago may never get reported by the news media. A similar murder in Lawrence, Kansas likely would make the main pages and local TV.

My question is whether shootings become so common that the media largely ignores them. It already happens on a global basis. a hundred people can die in another country and most of us won't hear about it.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 7 of 7 (823814)
11-17-2017 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Phat
11-17-2017 11:30 AM


Re: If Shootings Become More Common What Then?
Phat writes:

My question is whether shootings become so common that the media largely ignores them.


I think they should be ignored more than they are. As I've said before, "dog bites man" isn't news. You might as well report, "Sun rises in east," every day.

Phat writes:

a hundred people can die in another country and most of us won't hear about it.


If people die in an earthquake, I'm not sure that's newsworthy either. What makes earthquakes, etc. worth reporting is that we may be able to do something to help the survivors.
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