Big Bang Problem

I'am a Evolutionist and a firm believer in The Big Bang Theory, however, I have come across a problem that I wish and hope can be clearified.How can we explain how The Big Bang Theory contradicts the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum. For example how can we explain retrograde motion which is the backwards spinning of planets and orbits of certain moons. If the singularity that exploded was spinning clockwise all planets would need to spin clockwise, unless hit by an extreme force which would either leave visible marks or completley shatter the object. The only explaination I can think of is that the singularity was not spinning or it was spinning but had no specific spin. Under all the pressure caused it was constanly changing spins however those are just quick thoughts and I feel as if I'am reaching.[This message has been edited by Boston, 03-23-2004][This message has been edited by Boston, 03-23-2004]

Some comments:Why was the singularity spinning? What was it spinning respect to?The conservation of angular momentum is a consequence of the rotational symmetry of spacetime (a la Noether's theorem.) Why would a Big Bang singularity even obey such a concept when it was not embedded in a pre-existing spacetime for such a symmetry to be present? Such a symmetry would also not be present in the initial spacetime expansion - at small enough distance/time scales since we don't have a quantum theory of gravity we don't know what conversation laws held, what form they took or even if they existed.If several bodies interact hydrodynamic/hydromagnetic/gravitational forces can change the total angular momentum of each body - as long as the total remains the same conservation holds.The spin of planets etc. has NOTHING to do with the Big Bang. Also planets etc. would have undergone many impacts/interactings during their formation.

Oh and I think you meant 'Big Bang problem'. I must admit I have problems with many Big Bands. I thought Glenn Miller was boring!

The "Big Band Problem" was solved in the mid-50s with the advent of rock music, no?Seriously, I thought that retrograde motion of certain planets was somehow explained by differences in the magnetic fields of those planets relative to other planets. I'm not an expert so I could certainly be wrong about this, but that was my understanding. I'm interested to hear what anyone more knowledgeable has to say.

three other explanations come to mind(1) rogue planet captured, spin no associated with system at all(2) remnant of a collision left spinning backwards(3) eddies exist in all current systems that exibit non-laminar flow. such an eddy could condense rotating the "wrong" way.

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Another explanation for Venus' retrograde rotation (scroll to the bottom) is that tidal forces of the sun acting on Venus' very thick atmosphere caused this phenomenon. I believe that this has even been simulated with a computer model, so the mechanism is plausible.

Thank you for the replies, also I apologize for the spelling error.

Don't apologize for that, we need a bit of humor here from time to time.

Although you've gotten some good answers ...The law of conservation of angular momentum states that, for an isolated system, the total angular momentum does not change. In order to claim that the Big Bang contradicts the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum:1. State what the angular momentum of the Universe was at the instant of the Big Bang, and give your reasons why you believe that is the amount. (As Eta pointed out, you'll also have to state why you believe it's possible to define the angular momentum of the Universe at the instant of the Big Bang).2. Measure the motion of everything in the Universe, and calculate the angular momentum of every body in the Universe relative to some point. Add up all these numbers.3. Is the result of (1) the same as the result of (2)? If not, the Big Bang may indeed violate the law of conservation of angular momentum!4. Report back when you're finished. I'll wait.In other words, the angular momentum of the Solar System and/or the direction of rotation of individual bodies has absolutely nothing to do with the angular momentum of teh Universe except that they are an infinitesimal contribution to the total. And, if you don't know the total, you can't make any statements.

The most logical explanation that I can come up with is that the Big Bang never happened at all and that God set some things spinning the wrong way to make things a little more interesting. Uniformity is boring. Yay for originality. What a creative God I serve!

You would also have to consider the angular momentum of every subatomic particle ... to arrive at a universe wide total

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How about this. The water in toilets, when flushed, go in opposite directions in the northern and southern hemispheres. This should be impossible because of the conservation of angular momentum after the Big Bang. All toilets should flush in the same direction.Of course, this is just sarcasm. However, it illustrates a very cogent point. The Big Bang has nothing to do with which direction the toilet water goes when you flush it. This is due to the Corriolis effect (sp?). Local forces can overcome previous forces, as is the case both with toilet water and the formation of our solar system. The Big Bang did not create our solar system, just as it didn't create the toilet or the water. Local forces, such as local gravitational forces in newly forming celestial bodies, overcomes the previous forces that occured billions of years ago in the big bang. If our solar system is about 5 billion years old, that leaves about 10 billion years for other forces to counteract Big Bang forces.As you can see, planetary spin has nothing to do with the Big Bang, but is instead due to local gravitational forces during the foramtion of our solar system. Insisting that the two are inexorably tied is as erroneous as expecting toilet water to spin in the same direction in the two hemispheres due to Big Bang forces. This is another reason Kent Hovind should not be listened to, another reason on a very long list.

Actually the design of the toilets (and bathtubs etc) overpower the slight input from Coriolis effect in a body of that small a magnetude to the point this has been declared and urban myth ...Does the Coriolis Effect Determine the Direction Water Goes Down a Drain?enjoy.

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Yes it is a myth - but in controlled experiments it can be observed. Just not in your home toilet.

Specially as my toilet has offcenter infow to encourage swirling.

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