Noahs ark is a physical impossibility

Millions of species of animals would create more dung in any given day than noah and his immediate family could dump overboard (no pun intended). Explanations involving magic, acts of god or space aliens will be disregarded.

Noah put it all in cold storage, and it was preserved for Kent Hovind and Harun Yahya to distribute at this time.

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"Noah put it all in cold storage, and it was preserved for Kent Hovind and Harun Yahya to distribute at this time."me:
I think that would only take care of the bull. There are still so many animals to account for!

You have done no thinking at all. Ever heard of a moon pool? It's basically a hol ein the boat which would do many things including pump new air into the boat, protect from waves, and you could also dump the crap down the hole. Second who says the animals were full grown? They could have been babies meaning not alot of crap. Third not every species was on the ark. ex: Not every dog, only the one containing all the dna needed in order to produce all the different kinds. Do your research, then you can embarass yourself on this forum!

I hope the post to which I am replying was meant as a joke, but in case it wasn't:

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You have done no thinking at all. Ever heard of a moon pool? It's basically a hol ein the boat which would do many things including pump new air into the boat, protect from waves, and you could also dump the crap down the hole.

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Sounds good. How many of these would have been on the ark?
How do you get all the animals to them?
Most importanly, is the inclusion of these in the bible, or are they extrabiblical?

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Second who says the animals were full grown? They could have been babies meaning not alot of crap.

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I take it that you have no children.
Babies crap alot. And babies grow. Baby elephants, for example, crap a lot. And as they grow - over the course of a year - they crap even more. Plus, growing infants require lots of food.
Not to mention nurturing from parents. Or did Noah and his kine act as surrogates for all hte many thousands of 'babies'?

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Third not every species was on the ark. ex: Not every dog, only the one containing all the dna needed in order to produce all the different kinds.

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What is the evidence that this "superkind" existed? And how do we re-activate all of this suppressed DNA to produce new species and breeds?

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Do your research, then you can embarass yourself on this forum!

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Indeed.

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Ever heard of a moon pool?

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Yes. Ever hear of a 4000 year old boat built with one? This is a serious consideration. Assuming the ark had this bit of technology, one would think it would have been used by boat builders in the years after the flood; and used by pretty much everybody, as everybody was descended from people who knew about it.Also, bear in mind, the Bible says nothing about this bit of kit. The Bible mentions a single window and a single door. So adding to the Bible is OK if it buttresses your theology?For a moon pool type of pump to work there must be an opening to the outside and this opening must be large enough that air can come and go relatively unrestricted, otherwise you don't have fresh air mixing with stale air but rather stale air being compressed and decompressed. I don't see any mention in the Bible of an opening large enough to work. I know that some have tried to make "and in a cubit thou shalt finish it above" (Gen. 6:16) into a bow to stern slit 22" wide, but this reading makes little sense to me.Ever hear of a 4000 year old boat the size of the ark? Why not? Surely the descendants of Noah knew how to build boats of such size. But instead, they built nothing remotely close to that size, nor is there any technology that could have been scaled up to that size. The boats would have broken apart. No culture, except the Chinese, have been able to make wooden-- ie, not reinforced with steel-- ships rivalling the ark and the Chinese did it 3500 years later.Now, about the door in the side of the boat... Don't you think this might leak just a bit? There is a reason that few boats have doors in the side of the hull.

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Second who says the animals were full grown?

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Most would have been by the end of a year at sea. And consider, say, baby elephants, they are as big as you.

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They could have been babies meaning not alot of crap.

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Either you have never been around babies, or you weren't paying attention. Babies do make a lot of crap. Besides, it wouldn't take much crap to make a 4 or 5 hundred foot boat unbearable and quite dangerous.

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Third not every species was on the ark. ex: Not every dog, only the one containing all the dna needed in order to produce all the different kinds.

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So you are in fact saying that every species would have had to have been represented. Dogs are ALL ONE SPECIES, though I'd argue some breeds are pushing the envelope.You have forgotten one major element. Food supply and fresh water. For example, a wolf needs about 2.5 pounds of food daily to survive ( twice that to reproduce successfully ) which means it would need just over 900 pounds of food for a year-- 900 pounds of MEAT no less. How is this stored and where is it stored? Try working out the figures for a few thousand "kinds" and you'll notice that the ark is far above carrying capacity.

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Do your research, then you can embarass yourself on this forum!

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Anyone who wants to persuade me of the truth of the ark story must explain what happened after it landed.
What did the herbivores eat, after the land had been inundated for a year?
What did the carnivores eat, if not the herbivores?
How did koalas - but not rats - get to Australia?------------------
Then HE said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart, to believe all that the prophets have spoken. Luke 24 v 25

I'm a YEC.The 40-day global flood seemed a complete physical impossibility based on the data, but the ark with all its room might easily hold all the kinds of necessary gene pools of life-forms on just 2 of the 3 levels (stories) within.Yet, perhaps, it was a supernatural event, as you sarcastically ridicule, like:1) Realizing you and I are hell-deserving sinners, fleeing for salvation at a cross-alter, knowing all sins are purged from your conscience forever, etc.
2) Feeding 5000 with several loaves and fishes.
3) Daniel surviving in a lion's den.
4) Jonah in a fish 3 days and 3 nights, before converting Ninevah.
5) A Christ-God fulfilling all Jewish prophecies then raising up to the right hand of God with all power.
6) A cosmos that repeatedly manifests cursed-events and redemptive-events.
7) A lot of things scientists, you, and I don't understand.Certainly, based on the geological strata studies, the fortuitous concreteness (relatively fixed appearing irreducible complexities) of higher life-forms, and other scientific proofs, this global catastrophy may be postulated/hypothesized and possibly theorized ... albeit, a veritable unexplainable rift in evolution (if you will).

Good points Philip.I always laugh at the non-believer quoting scripture to bolster their argument. Satan tried the same thing in the wilderness, and it didn't work there either.Anyway, I would personally like to see the anomoly in Turkey explored to ascertain once and for all if Mt. Ararat truly contains a man made structure some believe might be Noah's Ark...Why all the secrecy here?Because there is much more at stake than confirming the historical event of Noah's Ark. Go ask Metatron, SLPx, John, et al. who would all prefer an in home visit from Jesus Christ Himself before they would believe.

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A cosmos that repeatedly manifests cursed-events and redemptive-events.

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Huh??????????

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Originally posted by Philip:
I'm a YEC.

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The 40-day global flood seemed a complete physical impossibility based on the data, but the ark with all its room might easily hold all the kinds of necessary gene pools of life-forms on just 2 of the 3 levels (stories) within.

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Yet, perhaps, it was a supernatural event, as you sarcastically ridicule, like:

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1) Realizing you and I are hell-deserving sinners, fleeing for salvation at a cross-alter, knowing all sins are purged from your conscience forever, etc.
2) Feeding 5000 with several loaves and fishes.
3) Daniel surviving in a lion's den.
4) Jonah in a fish 3 days and 3 nights, before converting Ninevah.
5) A Christ-God fulfilling all Jewish prophecies then raising up to the right hand of God with all power.
6) A cosmos that repeatedly manifests cursed-events and redemptive-events.
7) A lot of things scientists, you, and I don't understand.

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Certainly, based on the geological strata studies, the fortuitous concreteness (relatively fixed appearing irreducible complexities) of higher life-forms, and other scientific proofs, this global catastrophy may be postulated/hypothesized and possibly theorized ... albeit, a veritable unexplainable rift in evolution (if you will).

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Yes, the Ark story was completely impossible if you are brave (some might say foolish) enough to take it literally, it is interesting how you stress the word 'might' when claiming (without refering to the number of animals) that the Ark would be able to house the animals on 2 of its three levels. Then, (as the creationist usually does) you make an irrefutable appeal to the supernatural in case the reader (having developed a special organ called a brain) sees the fallacy of your claim.Then as if that were not enough, you make references to several other 'supernatural' ark-like statements used by creationists as if in an attempt to prove your ark-presuppositions by boring the reader to death with yet more irrefutable and purely circumstantial random statements. Indeed, all you have achieved is to inform the reader that there is no reason why he or she should believe anything that you have to say on the ark question whatsoever.

This is the only consistent answer, in my view, and clearly satisfactory for some people.However, it excludes the possibility of an answer based on 'scientific' creationism, which seems to be what Metatron was looking for in starting the thread.

I have tried for a year to get him to define those terms he uses as his amazing "evidence", but have had zero success.He likes to make up his own terminology a lot.

I always laugh at the non-believer quoting scripture to bolster their argument. Satan tried the same thing in the wilderness, and it didn't work there either.
Interesting. You're referencing scripture to bolster your argument that scripture is refrenced to bolster an argument.As for the flood, I still haven't heard any reason why an all-powerful God who allegedly created the Universe needed to use rainfall to wipe out his disobedient children instead of just snapping his fingers and making them all disappear, save Noah. Couldn't this all have been done in an instant?

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You have forgotten one major element. Food supply and fresh water. For example, a wolf needs about 2.5 pounds of food daily to survive ( twice that to reproduce successfully ) which means it would need just over 900 pounds of food for a year-- 900 pounds of MEAT no less. How is this stored and where is it stored? Try working out the figures for a few thousand "kinds" and you'll notice that the ark is far above carrying capacity.
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I'm just waiting for a creationist to point out that the dinosaurs 'obviously' became extinct because Noah fed 'em to the dogs.