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DeclinetoState
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Message 1 of 59 (339622)
08-12-2006 6:16 PM


Does anybody have any opinions about this little girl, who claims to get inspiration from God to create paintings and poems? Her parents say she was not raised in a particularly religious household; her mother, according to the girl's Website, was an atheist.
http://www.artakiane.com/home.htm
My questions would be as follows:
1. If God has inspired this little child to do what she does, why hasn't He inspired other children to do likewise?
2. If you are skeptical of Bible teachings because of errors or contradictions that appear to occur throughout the work, does this child's story change your mind in any way?
3. Does this child's belief affect, either positively or negatively, one's attitude toward evolution?
I hope any discussions will try to keep these questions at the fore.
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Message 2 of 59 (339628)
08-12-2006 6:24 PM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.
Sorry, meant to move this to Faith and Belief. Will try again.
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08-12-2006 6:26 PM


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Message 4 of 59 (339636)
08-12-2006 6:29 PM
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08-12-2006 6:16 PM


just a quick response
If God has inspired this little child to do what she does, why hasn't He inspired other children to do likewise?
Because God creates people to be different. I haven't read anything on this girl but the idea God would gift everyone the same seems a little childish.

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Message 5 of 59 (339641)
08-12-2006 6:35 PM
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08-12-2006 6:16 PM


Since her vision appears to be New Age rather than Christian, it makes me wonder what the source of it is.

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Message 6 of 59 (339708)
08-12-2006 10:48 PM
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08-12-2006 6:35 PM


Hi Faith
She claims to have had an experience of God which converted her whole family to Christianity. Shouldn't you just take her at her word instead of trying to pick apart the faith of a 9 year old because her theology might not be completely congruent with your own.
Here is an interesting quote from the media section of the site:
Jurij Sizenov Nikolaevich, Shabolovka (Russian television and mega radio network) writes:
“We are all in total awe here, at this Russian television station! We compared Akianes’s extraordinary painting Prince of Peace with the computerized image taken from the Shroud Of Turin, that was hanging in my office. To our complete shock and marvel we found virtually an exact match! It is a miracle and it must
come from God! There are no words to describe how a little 8-year-old girl could portray such wisdom, compassion and love in the eyes she painted. The technical and emotional details along with the visual strength in her paintings are astounding and stupendous! When I have a difficult day, all I need to do is to look at her
paintings. In her striking self-portrait the light literally comes forth from her .
What a mission on earth she carries! Bravo!”
Edited by GDR, : Should proof read first. typos

Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

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Message 7 of 59 (339711)
08-12-2006 10:54 PM
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08-12-2006 10:48 PM


Sorry GDR. She is enormously talented, of course, but I don't read her productions as Christian in spirit. Far from it. And one of them is titled "the lost years of Jesus" which is a straight New Age preoccupation -- Christians know there were no lost years, He grew up as a typical Jew practicing carpentry and attending the observances in the temple. The Shroud of Turin is no evidence for me either. Even if it were Jesus' shroud it would have no specifically Christian meaning.
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Message 8 of 59 (339716)
08-12-2006 11:03 PM
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08-12-2006 10:54 PM


Actually I just included the bit about the Shroud because I thought it was interesting.
Here is the quote from the picture you mentioned.
. At 14, during one of his meditations, Jesus is talking with his father in heaven about the new earth, where only joy and peace would reign. In the background the galactic hand is reaching out for love and truth .
I'm afraid where you see New Age I see a Godly young lady trying to imagine Jesus at an age close to her own. I certainly don't see her denying Jesus' history as a carpenter or as a practising Jew.

Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

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Message 9 of 59 (339717)
08-12-2006 11:08 PM
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08-12-2006 6:16 PM


on a sidenote
She seems like a wonderful Christian girl, and I wish her the best. However, I find it odd to consider her the genius that the web-site attributes to her. The fact she can be a good poet and painter, at the same time, is not altogether remarkable.
But she does some good art. I wouldn't call it museum quality, but I think she has found a good niche for herself, and I suspect her religious convictions are genuine. Hope she wins lots of people to the Lord and has a wonderful life!

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Message 10 of 59 (339718)
08-12-2006 11:20 PM
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08-12-2006 11:03 PM


She talks a lot about God, but although she paints Jesus, I have no sense that to her Jesus is God, that He died for her sins or anything like that, that is truly of the Christian faith.
She sounds to me like many of the Christian-based cults sound, or Liberal Christians, or straight New Agers, or Unity followers, or perhaps Mormon like that woman who wrote the books a decade or so ago about her own experience of heaven, an out-of-body kind of experience, what was it "Surprised by the Light" or something like that?* The girl is enormously bright, enormously talented but I don't see true Christianity in her.
* Oh yes, Embraced by the Light. Betty Eadie.
http://embracedbythelight.com/index.htm.
These experiences of "heaven" have been rather common over the last two or three decades, visions and out-of-body experiences and so on, and such phenomena as the apparitions of "Mary". There is a lot of Christian symbolism involved, but it's not Christianity, as it often subtly, sometimes less subtly, contradicts the essentials of the faith, is simply not the true faith that is salvation from sin by faith in the sacrifice of Christ. It is the "doctrines of demons" that will "tickle the ears" of those who refuse the truth in the last days.
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Message 11 of 59 (339719)
08-12-2006 11:25 PM
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08-12-2006 6:35 PM


She is a remarkably talented young lady. She'll lose her idealism about Christianity after she encounters a bit more of this:
Faith writes:
Since her vision appears to be New Age rather than Christian, it makes me wonder what the source of it is.
Right. And perhaps, a few hundred years ago, Christians would have burned her in the name of God. For her own good, of course. She'll learn.

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Message 12 of 59 (339721)
08-12-2006 11:27 PM
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08-12-2006 11:20 PM


The girl is enormously bright, enormously talented but I don't see true Christianity in her.
Sorry, nothing personal, but from what I've read about Christ, I don't see true Christianity in you, either.

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Message 13 of 59 (339723)
08-12-2006 11:31 PM
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08-12-2006 11:20 PM


how do you get that?
Faith, I looked at the website briefly and wonder how you come to those conclusions. I don't see her as New Age. Where do you see this stuff?

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Message 14 of 59 (339725)
08-12-2006 11:35 PM
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08-12-2006 11:27 PM


what a helpful post
That was helpful.
Your previous post didn't suffice as an insult?
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Message 15 of 59 (339726)
08-12-2006 11:57 PM
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She is a remarkably talented young lady. She'll lose her idealism about Christianity after she encounters a bit more of this:
Faith writes:
Since her vision appears to be New Age rather than Christian, it makes me wonder what the source of it is.
You're a smart man, Omni, surely you can see it's a matter of truth. It's no service to anyone to support a lie. I've had to wonder about the source of some of my experiences too. It's not something to treat lightly. Christians should pray for the girl and her family to be truly saved.
Right. And perhaps, a few hundred years ago, Christians would have burned her in the name of God. For her own good, of course. She'll learn.
Or, just as likely, a version of her brand of "Christianity" would have burned those of my convictions at the stake, as they did many of those Protestants I most revere, who dared to defend the gospel of salvation by faith in the sacrifice and resurrection of Christ against the superstitions and sentimentality of Rome.
But we're smarter these days. We know to pray for such people.
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