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Perdition Member (Idle past 3260 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
I'm not sure if this has been answered anywhere else, if so, please just refer me to a thread that may have it. I've heard people talk about the "true" name of God, and that if someone knew it, they'd have some sort of great power. Now, my question isn't about this power or anything, so you don't need to correct that part of my question, but what I'd like to know is; why does god have a name at all? Other than humans giving him/her/it a name, god shouldn't have one. If god created everything, then god existed originally in a vaccuum, and with nothing to differentiate between, a name would be useless and completely unnecessary. If god just made one up during creation, how would that be any different than knowing the true name of an antelope?
"Of course...we all create god in our own image" - Willard Decker, Star Trek: The Motion Picture
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I don't think God has a name, in the Bible.
They call him a bunch of stuff, but "God" isn't his name, no more than "human" is my name. When he identifies himself to Moses, what does he say? "I am."
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almeyda Inactive Member |
"I am that i am". I dont really understand the point of this thread. But he did say to people things like i am your Lord.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I dont really understand the point of this thread. You and me both, chief. What's the deal, P? Do you think that, if we knew the real name of God, and it really granted awesome power, that we'd share with you?
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3260 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
Personally, I don't think god has a name either..in fact I don't believe in a god, but I have heard people say that god does have a name and that if people knew it they would have some sort of power. So I was just wondering why god would have a name. If no one else knows what I am talking about then I guess this thread should be allowed to slowly decay into the hinter regions of the server.
"Of course...we all create god in our own image" - Willard Decker, Star Trek: The Motion Picture
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
I think it's a reasonable question though. I suppose it might not matter as such. Yet God says "let us" in Genesis. I assume the angels might have to call him something? Maybe the "name" God is more important to those created by God, than God. We need to refer to someone by a name as it is helpful. But the pet cat I rarely call by it's name as I think it silly to give an animal a name, don't know why. Maybe it's because the cat doesn't understand language. Maybe a name only becomed useful as a sound recognition, when a language exists. I can only guess that the "word was with God" means he might have always had a language and therefore a name. But then, he might have not chosen to have a name untill he had someone else to discuss it with.
Anyway, good to hear from you Perdition, only last night I thought of how you made one appearance and then dissapeared for a while.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3260 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
Slightly off topic here, but it's relevant...the reason you don't need to call a cat by its name is that cat's already think they are god. :-)
Yet God says "let us" in Genesis
Does the "us" refer to god and the angels, or to god and other gods, or to god and humans, or something else. I suppose I could look it up, but its so much easier to just have it told to me. :-D "Of course...we all create god in our own image" - Willard Decker, Star Trek: The Motion Picture
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Does the "us" refer to god and the angels, or to god and other gods, or to god and humans, or something else. I suppose I could look it up, but its so much easier to just have it told to me. :-D Well, that's a whole other topic here, that MANY would love to argue over. I would say it's the Father/Son/Holy Spirit, and maybe the angels. Though I think unbelievers would suggest it was other gods.
Slightly off topic here, but it's relevant...the reason you don't need to call a cat by its name is that cat's already think they are god. Ahahaha. Ain't it the truth!! My cat ignores my growling motorbike, and only moves when the tyre nudges it. Also, it will sit in the middle of a main road.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3479 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Does the "us" refer to god and the angels, or to god and other gods, or to god and humans, or something else. I suppose I could look it up, but its so much easier to just have it told to me. :-D it's refering to eloyhim, which is plural, but gets translated as god singular. the uh, raeliens take that to mean "people from the sky" as it's actual meaning is pretty... tricky.
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michaelkuyenga Inactive Member |
Hi ya'll. Just signed in!
Language only has meaning when used in its context of understanding! If I said JAMBO, it shouldnt be asumed to mean "JUMBO" or huge/large. It means, "Hi", "How are You?!" "How Do U DO" in Swahili, the major language of East Africans. The purpose of language is to facilitate meaning and mutual understanding. So, when God identifies "God-self" in Exodus 3 (in the Bible) to Moses, God purposes for Moses and all understanding individuals to relate in a meaningful way to God's identity and characteristics. Hence, "I AM" or "YAHWEH" (originally YHWH) prefigures God as personal, identifiable, relational, and contemporary to time. The Best Is Yet To Come... From Eternity Past, To Eternity Future
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
If god created everything, then god existed originally in a vaccuum, and with nothing to differentiate between, a name would be useless and completely unnecessary. 1. God has never existed in a vacuum of nothingless. The Bible says he is/was the same today, yesterday and forever. He creates and destroys things now so by this we know he's been creating, modifying and destroying things in his universe eternally. 2. Why must God have a name? For the same reason people need names, so that others will know which person to whom one refers. There are thousands of objects, both manmade and otherwise, of alleged existing beings and so forth that people consider to be gods on the planet. Thus the proper name of the Biblical god is Jehovah (English) or YHWH/Yahweh (Hebrew) which means the "I am" or the existing one. The word Elohim of the OT is not the name of a god, but the word for god and can refer to any god. In otherwords, the Elohim/god of the Bible's proper name given over 600 times in the OT, is Jehovah. The Biblical god, Jehovah, is also lord/adonai/master of us all according to the Hebrew and Greek Old and New Testaments. Allah is the Arabic word meaning the same as elohim or god. The problem is that there are many gods as I said and without a proper name, who is to be referred to? This message has been edited by buzsaw, 06-12-2004 05:48 PM
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I should add that the 600 + times in the OT that Jehovah is named are in the original early texts, but have been changed by most translators to "Lord"/adonai due to some late OT century superstitions of the Jews and their scribes. Thus I prefer the old 1901 American Standard Bible which correctly translates to Jehovah as it is written in the earliest manuscripts.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
this is just untrue.
the original hebrew manuscripts say "yhvh" is most places. since the name was written, but never spoken, the actual pronounciation was lost. to make up for this, in modern times, it's been giving the vowel pointings of "adonai" which means "lord." that make yhvh read ya-ho-va-h or yahovah, bastardaized into english as "jehovah"
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