A question of Identity

I have a question for those who consider Jesus and God to be the same thing. Was Jesus aware that he was also God?I ask because a different idea occured to me recently.If Jesus was aware of his divinity, then how can he be said to have suffered as men do since he cannot have doubted the outcome of his struggles.
If he cannot experience the whole spectrum of the human condition; no wife ,no children, no job to speak of, no bills to pay, etc.. then how can he understand fully what is required of humans to make a way in the world.
Having nothing to lose he had no understanding of the angst that a life of work and family entails, nor the bonds formed and understandings that come with watching your own flesh and blood grow and depart from you.Of course it could be said that he was not there to deal with matters of the flesh but of the realm of heaven, however,my retort to that would be that it is easy to be brave from a distance. In other words, without an investment in the living of a life, he cannot have had an appreciation for the loss that is entailed in mortality.I will leave out further discussion until I see the way that the posts unfold.I imagine Miscellaneous would be good since it offers the widest latitude in discussing tangents to the main topic.Edited by sidelined, : No reason given.Edited by sidelined, : No reason given.

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Dear Mrs Chown, Ignore your son's attempts to teach you physics. Physics isn't the most important thing. Love is.Best wishes, Richard Feynman.

Does it count as a serious philosophical/theological issue if Anne Rice made it the basis of a novel?This seems a little short to me. Could you possiby fill it out a bit more and discuss what your own thoughts on the matter were as to your central question about the quality of Jesus' Suffering?TTFN,AWEdited by AdminWounded, : No reason given.

adminwoundedCan you check into my new version?

It seems better, I think miscellaneous would be an odd place for it since that is actually in the Science forums. I would have thought 'Faith and Belief' would be the obvious venue.TTFN,AW

AdminWoundedAs you wish then Faith and Belief

Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

Firstly he was subjected to intense temptation for 40 days and nights. No other human has experienced that level of attack. Sure we get a life time of it - but in fits and starts. He was tempted in every way - just as we are.Secondly, your list of what it is to be fully human is a very subjective one. Soldiers in the Somme very often had no wives, no kids, no experience of careers. Your life is a doddle compared to theirs.Thirdly, he was going to (and knew he was going to) suffer something far worse than any of us can: a rupture in his perfect relationship (as a man AND as God) with God. He enjoyed that relationship as a man certainly and suffered that rupture. How many can say that? I have a very imperfect relationship with God and you must only believe me when I say that nothing, bar nothing causes more distress than an increase in the separation that exists. But you would have to be there to value that particular point.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Almost 250 years ago Voltaire wondered about the same questions:

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...Is Jesus the Word? If He be the Word, did He emanate from God, is He co-eternal and consubstantial with Him, or is He of a similar substance? Is He distinct from Him, or is He not? Is He made or begotten? Can He beget in His turn? Has He paternity? or productive virtue without paternity? Is the Holy Ghost made? or begotten? or produced? or proceeding from the Father? or proceeding from the Son? or proceeding from both? Can He beget? can He produce? is His hypostasis consubstantial with the hypostasis of the Father and the Son? and how is it that, having the same nature - the same essance as the Father and the Son, He cannot do the same things done by these persons who are Himself?

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To address your question, noone can tell if Jesus knew he was also a God, since we do not have a direct testament from Jesus himself about his feelings outside of the Bible. We can only infer...Edited by Nutcase, : Typo.Edited by Nutcase, : No reason given.