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Author Topic:   Sixth International Conference on Creationism (2008)
Minnemooseus
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Message 1 of 16 (478715)
08-19-2008 10:47 PM


Via here at "Panda's Thumb".
The Panda's Thumb blurb in it's entirety:
Jason Rosenhouse writes:
The Sixth Intenrational Conference on Creationism was held from August 3-7, in Pittsburgh, PA. That being a mere five hour drive from my digs in Harrisonburg, I naturally attended.
Unlike the revival tent atmosphere that prevails at Ken Ham's ubiquitous gatherings, the ICC's represent an attempt at a serious scientific conference on creationism. If you flip through the conference proceedings and just give it a quick skim, you could easily be impressed by the professionalism of the volume and the level of technical detail in the papers. It's a side of creationism we rarely see, and serves as a reminder that these folks honestly believe what they are saying, and at least attempt to do science with their idiosyncratic interpretaion of the Bible as their starting point.
Alas, combining the scientific legitemacy of creationism with the turgid style of academic prose is not the formula for a pleasant conference. I will be reporting on my experiences at the conference over at EvolutionBlog. The first two installments are already up: Part One and Part Two. Comments can be left there. Go have a look, and stay tuned for further installments.
BTW - All the above spelling errors were of his creation. Is there some deeper meaning behind the term "Intenrational"?
Not much there yet, but the 2008 International Conference on Creationism site is at http://www.icc08.org/.
Moose

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bluegenes
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Message 2 of 16 (478729)
08-20-2008 3:16 AM
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08-19-2008 10:47 PM


Hard creationist science lives.
Plenty of good, hard science at this conference, of course. One of the papers read out (with slides) was basically this:
I'd love to have been there, I really would.
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Message 3 of 16 (478741)
08-20-2008 9:03 AM
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08-20-2008 3:16 AM


Re: Hard creationist science lives.
Heh! My wife got that as an email a while back!
Lessee.....bones and celery are each 23% sodium. Salt is 39% sodium, so are bones and celery 59% salt? Or do they burst into yellow flames when you throw them into a puddle of water?
The stupid, it burns!!
And babies are guacamole?? Who'd have guessed?!
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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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Message 4 of 16 (478744)
08-20-2008 9:50 AM
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08-19-2008 10:47 PM


Part II from Rosenhouse's blog is a must read: Report on the Sixth International Conference on Creationism, Part II, especially the two slides at the top presented by Andrew Snelling, the most prolific creationist writing on dating issues. Apparently he recognizes just how big a botch creation scientists are making of science.
This is actually pretty weird. Snelling actually says just what has been said here many times ("Even nearly five decades after The Genesis Flood we still have no comprehensive model of earth history..."), but still never considers the possibility that the reason is because what they're doing isn't really science.
--Percy
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Message 5 of 16 (478842)
08-21-2008 8:54 AM
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Re: Hard creationist science lives.
I'll never look at oranges the same. Wow there are so many ways one can go with this, however I'll refrain....
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Message 6 of 16 (478853)
08-21-2008 12:45 PM
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Re: Hard creationist science lives.
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Message 7 of 16 (478901)
08-21-2008 8:34 PM
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08-20-2008 3:16 AM


Irrelevant to the topic garbage
I think that crackpot video has essentially nothing to do with creationism and absolutely nothing to do with the conference. It shouldn't have been posted in this topic!
Don't do such things.
Hiding the content of that message and the replies.
Adminnemooseus

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Percy
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Message 8 of 16 (478933)
08-22-2008 6:36 AM
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08-21-2008 8:34 PM


Re: Irrelevant to the topic garbage
Incredibly enough, this slide show was apparently presented at the conference. Jason Rosenhouse's Part I says:
Jason Rosenhouse writes:
A fellow named John Pantana got up to tell us about God's pharmacy. To anticipate in advance your natural question: Yes, he's serious. I know that because someone asked him precisely that after his talk, and he bluntly answered in the affirmative. Read it and weep:...
What's surprising is that Rosenhouse spoke with conference organizers who described how much submitted material was rejected because of low scientific quality, so if this slide show was found acceptable, it is difficult to imagine how bad the rejected material must have been.
--Percy

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Message 9 of 16 (478934)
08-22-2008 6:58 AM
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Re: Irrelevant to the topic garbage
Moose writes:
I think that crackpot video has essentially nothing to do with creationism and absolutely nothing to do with the conference.
Check the link, read parts one and two.

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bluegenes
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Message 10 of 16 (478953)
08-22-2008 2:34 PM
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Re: Irrelevant to the topic garbage
Adminnemooseus writes:
I think that crackpot video has essentially nothing to do with creationism and absolutely nothing to do with the conference. It shouldn't have been posted in this topic!
And you're entirely wrong on both counts.
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Message 11 of 16 (478980)
08-22-2008 7:58 PM
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08-22-2008 6:36 AM


OK - I stand corrected
Incredibly enough, this slide show was apparently presented at the conference. Jason Rosenhouse's Part I says:
Jason Rosenhouse writes:
A fellow named John Pantana got up to tell us about God's pharmacy. To anticipate in advance your natural question: Yes, he's serious. I know that because someone asked him precisely that after his talk, and he bluntly answered in the affirmative. Read it and weep:...
What's surprising is that Rosenhouse spoke with conference organizers who described how much submitted material was rejected because of low scientific quality, so if this slide show was found acceptable, it is difficult to imagine how bad the rejected material must have been.
--Percy
OK - I confess to having only skimmed the blog discussion quite lightly. In viewing the video, I just couldn't begin to believe that such had been presented at any creationism conference, much less one striving for high quality. It strikes me as being on the quack fringe of an already dubious alternative food/medicine discussion. Or something like that.
I'll restore all the hidden material (although some/all of the replies to the video message were of dubious quality).
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Message 12 of 16 (478996)
08-22-2008 10:57 PM
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Re: Hard creationist science lives.
Good god! They actually allowed that crap of a slide show at the conference?

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Minnemooseus
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Message 13 of 16 (479414)
08-27-2008 1:22 AM
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08-19-2008 10:47 PM


Comments by Jason Rosenhouse, parts 3 and 4 now available
Parts three and four of Jason Rosenhouse's comments about the 6th International Conference on Creationism are now available.
Moose

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Message 14 of 16 (479629)
08-28-2008 8:15 PM
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08-20-2008 3:16 AM


Re: Hard creationist science lives.
I watched this video waiting for him to discuss cucumbers, which are known to have great therapeutic value in relieving certain types of stress in females. I believe many women consider them to be a god send and have called out his name in gratitude during their application.
A great practical joke: next time your grocery shopping with you girl friend, get her to take an English hothouse cucumber to the produce clerk and ask him what size batteries it uses. This is Grandma's favorite prank.

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Message 15 of 16 (479632)
08-28-2008 8:55 PM
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Re: Hard creationist science lives.
theaptlynamedAIG writes:
I believe many women consider them to be a god send.....
The good Lord leaves us many signs of his presence in the world of the humble legume.
http://sidewayspony.com/tags/Vegetable/1909

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