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Author | Topic: If the Bible is Accurate, why did the Church kill so many? | |||||||||||||||||||
sup32string Inactive Member |
If the Bible is true and its the "Word of God", Why did the Church have to murder any one who spoke of ideas or philosophies that contridicted The Church's dogma? Why did Roman Emperor Constantine slaughter thousands to force Christianity on the Roman Empire? Why did The Church torture and murder countless thousands in the Inqusistions? What were the reasons behind the Crusades?
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2792 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Why does Homeland Security have to investigate any one who speaks or writes philosophies that contridict The Administration's dogma? Why does America slaughter thousands to force Democracy on the Middle East?
Same reasons, I believe. Political expediency. db ------------------Doesn't anyone graduate Sunday School?
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
still bill its not the same.
we are talking about the bible that really says all of that is wrong....
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sup32string Inactive Member |
What if the reason the church did all that was to hide the fact that it is a "borrowed religion"? Im curious on your thoughts please enlighten me. thanks Since the bible is surely borrowed from the Jews one could reason many other aspects could have been borrowed from other religions, or philosophies of the ancient world?
[This message has been edited by sup32string, 07-27-2003] [This message has been edited by sup32string, 07-27-2003]
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
religon in histroy seems to exist as a way to control mass amounts of people. you can't very well control them if they don't believe can you?
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2792 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
DC85 writes:
If you mean the "Thou shalt not kill." It has been demonstrated that a more accurate translation is "Thou shalt not murder." The story of the invasion of Canaan reports orders from the same God, to wit: "kill them all;" women, children, old men, livestock and household pets. To make sense of it all, I must assume that "Thou shalt not kill," means, "Thou shalt not kill without orders to do so." Yes? Remember that Moses ordered his police to kill thousands of dissidents while they were still camped at mount Sinai receiving the ten commandments. we are talking about the bible that really says all of that is wrong.... Interesting? db ------------------Doesn't anyone graduate Sunday School?
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
true however that leads one to wonder that when Christens protest war , the death penalty and other things that involve life are they really doing what they should acording to the Great book?
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Peter Member (Idle past 1507 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
It probably means 'thou shalt not kill thine own' --
like in Rome it was only a crime to kill a Citizen.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
DC85 responds to doctrbill:
quote: So does the Constitution. There are things like the First and Fourth and Fifth and Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments. To call someone an "enemy combatant" and lock them up, refusing judical review, refusing to allow them access to the information used to classify them as an "enemy combatant" in the first place, simply because they engaged in certain political acts is to violate a whole host of rights. And yet, the PATRIOT Act is firmly in place with the current administration trying to grab even more. ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2792 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Peter writes:
Well, they did kill their own, under orders (Israeli's at Mt. Sinai). Perhaps by breaking the Mosaic code they suddenly lost citizenship. I could belive that. But condemned to die without due process? No trial? No counsel for the defense? No appeal? Maybe God's not an American after all! It probably means 'thou shalt not kill thine own' --like in Rome it was only a crime to kill a Citizen. db ------------------Doesn't anyone graduate Sunday School? [This message has been edited by doctrbill, 07-28-2003]
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Peter Member (Idle past 1507 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
...seems all nations can break their own laws if it suits
their leader's ends!!
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2792 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Their leader was Jehovah. It was his law.
Which is more likely? That he violated his own law?OR That we aren't interpreting it accurately? db
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Agent Uranium [GPC] Inactive Member |
Bearing in mind that people have translated the Bible into many languages - and interpretations depend upon a translator's personal spin - it seems highly likely to me that we have obviously misinterpreted many of the original passages.
Plus people of all sorts of cultures & religions don't care when they get it in their heads that they have God on their side despite what their holy books say.
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2792 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
Bearing in mind that people have translated the Bible into many languages - and interpretations depend upon a translator's personal spin - it seems highly likely to me that we have obviously misinterpreted many of the original passages.
I give you an 'A' for this answer.
Plus people of all sorts of cultures & religions don't care when they get it in their heads that they have God on their side despite what their holy books say.
I give you a 'B' for this answer because, while it is an excellent piece of peace mongering, the real life application of pacifist philosophy gets dicey when the bullets start flying; and doctrines of the 'holy book' are more complex than the oft publicized psalmisty (of sweetness and light) would lead one to believe. In Fact:The word "god" may be simply understood to mean "force." Thus, whoever wins "obviously" has God on his side. God < Elohim < El < Ayil = twist (to give strength, as in twisting fibre to make rope). [Etyimology adapted from: Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible] The holy books say that there is a time to kill; and what's more, they discuss what those times ought to be. db ------------------Doesn't anyone graduate Sunday School?
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Peter Member (Idle past 1507 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Their leader was a man claiming divine inspiration ...
look where that get's people nowadays. If people really believe in God why do people who say thathe tells them to kill get locked up these days, but revered in the Bible?
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