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celestialGyoud
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Message 1 of 118 (509599)
05-22-2009 5:42 PM


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The standard translation from the bibles of 66 books has brought up many contradictions

the original text says 'forehead',

The head of every man is Yhvh'óshua
[The Word that became flesh],
a woman's head is her spouse,
but Yahveh--I AM is the head of the living Word [that a woman comes to recite or prophesy].

Every woman who comes to recite or prophesy the word of I AM with her forehead uncovered disgraces the ornament of her own head, for that is even all one and the same as if her head were shaved.

If a woman will not cover her forehead, then let her hair be shorn also [in like manner].
But since it is not decent for a woman to have her hair shorn or shaved, let her wear the forehead covering as a war helmet so that she might stand before man equal to equal when using the weapon of the word in the wars of Yahveh. For such as man is semblance of a glory made for Yahveh, likewise a woman, without her forehead covered, is also semblance of a glory made for man.

Also man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was the first man formed for woman, but
the first woman was formed for man. For this reason [when prophesying or reciting the Word of I AM]
ought the woman to clothe her forehead with a Sign of Power of Yahveh, because [of the authority of the Word she recites] it is over angels.

From Spotlight - Written On The Outside And Sealed Within~

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Message 2 of 118 (509611)
05-22-2009 7:44 PM
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05-22-2009 5:42 PM


What has this to do with the creation/evolution debate?


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Message 3 of 118 (509872)
05-25-2009 5:11 PM
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quote:
What has this to do with the creation/evolution debate?

The thread exposes that the versions of the bible are different from the texts as originally written.

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Message 4 of 118 (509887)
05-25-2009 9:29 PM
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How would this thread have any bearing on the creation/evolution debate? It's okay if the topic is only peripherally connected, but I can't see any connection at all.


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Message 5 of 118 (510002)
05-26-2009 4:17 PM
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It is about a List of contradictions in the bible translation,

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Message 7 of 118 (512641)
06-19-2009 4:02 PM


Ephesians *:**,
Submitting yourselves [spontaneously] to one another,
let that submission be in the love for Elyon [The One that Declares],

Ephesians *:**,
Wives,
submit yourselves [spontaneously] to your husbands in fidelity [aemunah] to Yhvh,
because the husband being the head of the wife,
Yhvh's Word is the Salvation of her head,
and Yhvh in person is the Savior of her entire body also.

Ephesians *:**,
And as the gatherings of people are under the authority of YHVH's Word -- [Yhvh'óshua],
so let the wives be under that same authority also before their husbands in all things.

Weymouth NT -- 'And just as the church submits to christ …women should be entirely submissive to their husbands.'

Is not Weymouth's believed translation saying that a woman's submission should also be spiritual before a spirit of man, which is the same as one paying spiritual reverence unto men's words?

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Message 8 of 118 (512645)
06-19-2009 4:31 PM



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The Italian Bible La Parola č Vita
uses the Ancient Roman word 'testa' (forehead) in 1 Corintios,

La Parola č Vita, www.biblegateway.com

Sample of 1 Corinzi ** (La Parola č Vita)

* L'uomo, invece, non deve coprirsi la testa (forehead), perché č l'immagine e la gloria di D--; mentre la donna č la gloria dell'uomo.

* Infatti, non č l'uomo che č stato tratto dalla donna, ma la donna [dal costato] dall'uomo.

* E l'uomo non fu creato per la donna, ma la donna fu creata per lui.

** Giudicate voi stessi. Secondo voi, sta bene che una donna preghi a D-- a testa (forehead) scoperta?

** La natura stessa vi insegna che non sta bene che un uomo porti i capelli lunghi,

** mentre invece una donna č onorata quando ha una capigliatura lunga, che le serve da velo.

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The word anteriore (that which comes before)
is implying that in Roman Language both words 'testa' and 'frónte' meant the part that comes before the hair.

http://it.wiktionary.org/wiki/testa -- Wikizionario, Italiano

testa

1. capo
2. parte anteriore -- (the initial part = that which comes before)

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http://www.dizionario-italiano.it,

frónte ['fronte]
s.f., s.m.

1. parte della testa
2. la parte anteriore di varie cose

in Portuguese 'testa' was retained as the word for 'forehead'.

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Message 9 of 118 (512709)
06-20-2009 6:42 AM


What tha...???!!!???
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celestialGyoud
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Message 10 of 118 (532661)
10-25-2009 11:31 AM


Operation of law Vs Works of the law
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translations from Roman Language,

the term le opere della legge
has the meaning of the operating of the law,

Noi, di nascita Giudei e non peccatori fra i gentili,
sapendo che l'uomo non č giustificato per le opere della legge
ma per mezzo della fede in Gesú Cristo, abbiamo creduto anche noi in Cristo Gesú,
affinché fossimo giustificati mediante la fede di Cristo e non mediante le opere della legge, poiché nessuna carne sarŕ giustificata per mezzo della legge.

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We, who are Hebrews by nature, [become] sinners not [because of being] among the nations,
knowing that a man is not justified through the operating of the law
but by the emunah--fidelity to Yhwh, as we also have heard from the living Word
that it is through one's emunah--fidelity to Yhwh, and not by the operating of the law, that one is justified;
because no flesh shall be justified by imposition of law.

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Message 11 of 118 (535191)
11-13-2009 3:21 PM


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Hebrew Bibles were copied without the seven consonants

יהוהושע

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Message 12 of 118 (535312)
11-14-2009 5:23 PM
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06-20-2009 6:42 AM


Hi, Peg.

Peg writes:

What tha...???!!!???

With the exception of moderator input, the above is actually the most coherent sentence written in this thread.


-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)

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Message 13 of 118 (537115)
11-27-2009 2:23 AM
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Not sure what else to expect
The Books of the Bible that were written in Hebrew are well over 2,000 years old. These books date back to well before the printing press, and it was required that men of the time know the Books of Moses inside and out. These Books were generally taught through oral recitation, as was most knowledge of the times; that is, the knowledge was spoken and repeated. Very few had the ability to read or write.

As to those who *were* literate... Well, we all know of the fisherman. He catches a 10 pound fish, but by the time he tells his friend about it, the fish weighed 11 pounds. His friend repeats the story with a 12 pound fish. So on and so on, the fish gets bigger and bigger, and was harder to catch. By the end, the fisherman is fighting for his life in a storming sea, attempting to reel in the great whale.

Imagine that story 2,000 years after the fisherman first told his friend.

A children's game is to sit in a circle. One child whispers something and it is repeated from child to child over the entire circle until it is back to the originator. The message is very rarely the same as it started. Multiply that by 2,000.

All of these contradictions are not proof of anything other than the way time and mankind corrupt knowledge. The Hebrews took Moses's 10 laws and turned them into over 400, after all. Besides, these laws are mere interpretations of what a given society deemed to be right or wrong by general consensus. There is no way to prove or disprove that these teachings originated with a divine being.

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Message 14 of 118 (537208)
11-27-2009 3:14 PM


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Fidelitate - Ancient Roman Language
Fidelitŕ - Italian
Fidelitas - Medieval Latin

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Message 15 of 118 (539364)
12-15-2009 11:57 AM
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Please Clarify
Dear CrazyDiamond7,

First, thank you for your interest in Biblical Inerrancy; of all the topics dealing with the Bible, ‘Inerrancy’ is the most complex in my opinion.

I have a question for you; would you clarify:

CrazyDiamond7 writes:

“Protestant bible translation has brought up many contradictions which proceeded from the spiritual ordinances that were doctrine of the Catholicism.”

Are you saying that there are contradictions between what Catholicism teaches and what the Bible states? Or are you saying that different versions of the Bible contradict what original manuscripts state?

Thank you for your time and effort in these matters,
JRTjr


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