oh yeah... (re: Was Jesus married, etc.)

Was Jesus married or not? Was Mary Magdalene his wife? Was she a whore?

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We are too intelligent to assimilate rubbish. Our targets are relevant questions within reasonable parameters, that will lead to meaningful discussion. Your target is to type irrelevant guesswork within jargon capacity, via the rear end transit.

What would lead you to believe these things are true?From your apparent atempt to be deliberatly offensive, I'll assume you're not a Christian. What then leads you to believe in Jesus, and Mary Magdelane at all?

Why would/should someone find such a suggestion offensive?

Now, if you want something that some might take as offensive -- what do we say if a guy is, well, over 30, unmarried and just hangs out with the men?[This message has been edited by NosyNed, 11-05-2003]

A 30 year old guy that hangs out with a bunch of guys? I agree that is offensive. Seriously, I was not aware that I needed to be a Christian to post on this website. I must have skipped right past the ticket taker that asks for your CHRISTIAN pass at the door. I must have snuck in here, just to piss you off?I used to be a Christian. I am not a Christian any longer. I remember as a child asking my pastors a few questions and always receiving the same answers in return. "Don't worry about such answers. Let faith lead you."Where was Jesus from the time we left the scene, age 12, to when he emerged from the desert at the age of 30? It seems a lot of things occur in a mans life during this time period and it is completely ignored and dismissed as being "unimportant". My most, and I assume correctly or incorrectly, MOST men experience life and make decisions that change their lives during these formative years.Sure, Jesus emerged as a Scholar and a Leader from the desert. How did he come to be this way?Did that offend you?

I'll ignore this nonsense And ask again:What would lead you to believe Jesus was married?
What would lead you to believe Mary Magdalene was a whore?
What would lead you to believe that Jesus, or Mary, existed at all?

Grow up. And your evidence for this would be what, precisely? Just the sniveling part. The rest was fairly benign autobiography and assumption.

1) Have a sense of humor for Pete's Sake.2) I suspend my disbelief enough to grant those that believe that Jesus is the savior, a mutual common point of concession. Jesus emerged from the wilderness as a learned man, a man of Divinity.3) I was looking for people to dialog with regarding the possibility of Jesus' "love story", the credibility of the whole Mary Magdalene Marriage scenario...4) Look, the bible is a nice story. I am only interested in discussing the matter of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and their relationship. Were they married? Were they just lovers? Not taking into account the Gnostic writtings, of which I am just now gaining knowledge of, let's keep it in the bible.Prophesies and fabrications are fine with me, as long as they are backed up. But can someone explain the "Tower of the Flock" reference in the Micah 4:8, and explain to me how it has nothing to do with Mary Magdalene?

Rubten,If you want to start a dialog about this, then you need to present some kind of argument. Standard Christian theology hold Jesus was unmarried, and hence, not married to Mary Magdelane in particular. I'm quite happy to continue believing this is what the bible says, unless you present some reason to think otherwise. I'm guessing others here will feel the same.So, please, present your arguments and then, maybe, we can discuss them.

Good.It seems to me that the belief that Jesus was not married, as a "Christian Doctrine" is unsupported biblically. I would then ask, as the question is begged, where it states that Jesus is NOT married.Was it not the custom in the days of Jesus that a man be married? It seems that if he was NOT married it would have been a big deal. So, let me ask this question in a more clear way.Was it not in the tradition of Jews in the time of Jesus to marry by a certain age? If not, then what excluded Jesus from this established norm of Jewish society?

I guess I will have to wait until tonight

Jewish customs of Jesus' day required married Rabbis. Unmarried men were considered a curse to Jewish society. Jesus would not have had much credibility as a leader had He not been married. Although Jesus was a non-conformist and had many conflicts with Jewish tradition, His parents, Joseph and Mary, were not. The Bible says that they were careful to perfectly obey the laws of their people. It also says that Jesus was "subject unto them". Since Jewish culture practiced arranged marriages and early marriage, as well (a Jewish boy was marriageable at age 16), it is reasonable to assume that Jesus' parents would have performed their parental duties faithfully and arranged a bride for the young Jesus. There are 18 silent years in His life (12 - 30). The Gospel of John tells us that there were many other things which Jesus did which have not been recorded.This point is important because it shifts the weight of presumption. Given the cultural milieu in which Jesus lived and the supporting Biblical evidence, the burden of proof lies with those who do not believe Jesus was married. They must show why Jesus and His parents would have been derelict in their civic responsibilities and not contracted a marriage.According to Josephus, descendants of the House of David felt a moral obligation to perpetuate their line, never knowing which one among their descendants would be the chosen Messiah. Jesus may or may not have known who He was, but regardless, He lived as a normal person until called by the ministry of John the Baptist.The above is taken from Hierogamy & the Married Messiah which is scheduled to be released January, 2004. It will be the most complete analysis of the "married Jesus" doctrine to date. Pre-publication inquiries may be directed to:overseer@grailchurch.org