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starman
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Message 1 of 365 (470700)
06-12-2008 12:47 AM


70 weeks of Daniel
(The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy)

Seventy weeks of Daniel

The kingdoms of Greece, and Rome, and Medo Persia were foretold before they came to be a world power. Also, the time of the Messiah, and a lot of other things.

In this, we can see that it was impossible for man to predict accurately.

"The Triumphal Entry

Then, one day, He meticulously arranges it.7 On this particular day he rode into the city of Jerusalem riding on a donkey, deliberately fulfilling a prophecy by Zechariah that the Messiah would present Himself as king in just that way:

Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Zechariah 9:9

Whenever we might easily miss the significance of what was going on, the Pharisees come to our rescue. They felt that the overzealous crowd was blaspheming, proclaiming Jesus as the Messiah the King.8 However, Jesus endorsed it!

I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

Luke 19:40

This is the only occasion that Jesus presented Himself as King. It occurred on April 6, 32 A.D.9

The Precision of Prophecy

When we examine the period between March 14, 445 B.C. and April 6, 32 A.D., and correct for leap years, we discover that it is 173,880 days exactly, to the very day!

How could Daniel have known this in advance? How could anyone have contrived to have this detailed prediction documented over three centuries in advance? "
http://www.khouse.org/articles/2004/552/

Alexander the Great, for example was one of the kings pinpointed.
"Dan 11:3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will. 4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.

His kingdom was not left to his kids, but to 4 generals, that divided it.

That could not have been guessed at. Someone saw it, and reported it. Quantum weirdness, move over, the genuine article is here.

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Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Changed topic title from "Time travel displayed, no other possiblility" to "The Prophecy of the 70 weeks of Daniel"

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Once again I've given a "Reason for Edit" and then forgot to actually do the edit.


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Message 2 of 365 (470703)
06-12-2008 12:58 AM
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06-12-2008 12:47 AM


Chapter and verse of your Biblical source(s) please. Online links would be nice. Also, please quote the relevant Biblical passages.

Please edit your message 1, and then post a new message notifying us that changes were made.

I also want a more topic theme specific topic title. "Bible accuracy" is only slightly better than "A question". A topic title change is also done via editing message 1.

Adminnemooseus


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Message 3 of 365 (470718)
06-12-2008 1:48 AM
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06-12-2008 12:58 AM


Changes made!
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Message 4 of 365 (470726)
06-12-2008 2:55 AM
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06-12-2008 1:48 AM


Wow - Too much
Thank you for your efforts, but I've come to realize that we're covering too many prophesies for one topic.

I recommend that you save a copy of this page for future reference, or perhaps you've already done via some sort of text file.

Then we need to cut message 1 down to just one prophesy or area of prophesy. You can perhaps move on to other prophesies later.

Please edit down message 1 per above suggestion. Another topic title change is also needed, to reflect the greater focus. Then post another message saying the edit has been done.

By the way - You seem to have flip-flopped you designations of your original input and your quotes. What is as a quote shouldn't be, and what isn't should be.

Sorry about not making these suggestion in my first message, but such is life. Just think of it this way - I critique because I care :).

Adminnemooseus

Added by pre-post edit:

Checking one of your sources, I see this is a lot of cut and paste, which we generally frown upon. This material mixes quoting scripture and interpretation. I find this problematic - I offhand would prefer that data and interpretation be kept separate.

Tell you what. Post a more focused message (per above suggestions) as a new message in this topic. It may need further editing, but as I see it, that's that best way to go.

Input from other admins certainly welcome.


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Message 5 of 365 (470843)
06-12-2008 11:03 PM
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06-12-2008 2:55 AM


Reretrofitted attempt at polishing thread
Hows that?
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Message 6 of 365 (470849)
06-13-2008 12:47 AM
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Topic promoted with considerable reservations
Boy, that thing sure seems to be a muddled mess to me, but I guess I'll give you bonus points for your efforts and put it out there for the general membership to evaluate.

Adminnemooseus


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Message 8 of 365 (470854)
06-13-2008 1:30 AM
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06-12-2008 12:47 AM


Re: 70 weeks of Daniel
I'm afraid this is all very wrong.

The Book of Daniel was written in the time of the Seleucid monarch Antiochus IV Epiphanes, and that is the time it is about. It doesn't have any verfiably successful predictions in it.

Nobody knows what year Jesus entered Jerusalem. So even if Daniel did predict a date in 32 AD (which isn't the case) then you can't confirm an exact match.


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Message 9 of 365 (470858)
06-13-2008 2:00 AM
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Re: 70 weeks of Daniel
starman writes:

How could Daniel have known this in advance?

Well first off Daniel was a very special human being.

Second any man that can lay down in a den of hungry lions, use their body heat to keep himself warm and get a good nights sleep has got special connections.

So the answer is simple somebody or somebeing that knew exactly what was going to happen and when told him in some form.

The odds of him guessing the number of days would be in the neighborhood of 10120.

God Bless and welcome to EvC,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 10 of 365 (470864)
06-13-2008 2:44 AM
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06-13-2008 1:30 AM


Re: 70 weeks of Daniel
quote:
I'm afraid this is all very wrong.

The Book of Daniel was written in the time of the Seleucid monarch Antiochus IV Epiphanes, and that is the time it is about.


Interesting claim. Let's see your back up here. Surely you have some??

quote:
It doesn't have any verfiably successful predictions in it.
Oh, so Jesus never came, there was no Rome, Greece, or Medo Persia. Quite the fantastic claims you make here. Funny joke.

quote:
Nobody knows what year Jesus entered Jerusalem. So even if Daniel did predict a date in 32 AD (which isn't the case) then you can't confirm an exact match.
I personally wouldn't care to try. I look at a calendar, and see it was about 2000 years ago He came. I don't need to harp on the day, that bats it out of the ballpark.

Questions??


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Message 11 of 365 (470865)
06-13-2008 2:52 AM
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06-13-2008 2:00 AM


Re: 70 weeks of Daniel
quote:
Well first off Daniel was a very special human being.

Second any man that can lay down in a den of hungry lions, use their body heat to keep himself warm and get a good nights sleep has got special connections.


So he used body heat? What Babylon was cold at the time? Maybe he needed air conditioning? Sure you have some special knowledge here??

quote:
So the answer is simple somebody or somebeing that knew exactly what was going to happen and when told him in some form.

How nice. Make it simpler. Who knew what how, when where, and why??

quote:
The odds of him guessing the number of days would be in the neighborhood of 10120.

God Bless and welcome to EvC,


Thanks. Almost like deja vu. Guessing the number of days centuries into the future, as well as details are basically not possible for a man. Then, predicting Grecia's king that conquered fast, and left his kingdom to 4 people other than his kids is not within the realm of possibility either. Add Medo Persia, and Rome, and some more details and we have what what we have.
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Message 12 of 365 (470873)
06-13-2008 5:21 AM
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Re: 70 weeks of Daniel
Where does Daniel mention Jesus?
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Message 13 of 365 (470880)
06-13-2008 7:12 AM
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06-12-2008 12:47 AM


Re: 70 weeks of Daniel
Hi Starman. A hearty welcome to EvC. I agree that this is one of the most significant prophecies concerning the advent of messiah Jesus and just one of the wonderfully fulfilled Biblical prophecies.

So far, you're doing great. Please don't get discouraged and hang in here. We've got the truth on our side.


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Message 14 of 365 (470883)
06-13-2008 7:58 AM
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Re: 70 weeks of Daniel
quote:

Interesting claim. Let's see your back up here. Surely you have some??

Of course I do. It's the mainstream opinion of Biblical scholars based on the fact that Daniel is dodgy on the 6th Century BC, and inaccurate on events after ~162 BC. As well as other poitns such as the lack of any clear references to the "Biblical" Daniel in earlier texts.

See Early Jewish Writings for examples, plus links to sites on various sides of the issue.

quote:

Oh, so Jesus never came, there was no Rome, Greece, or Medo Persia. Quite the fantastic claims you make here. Funny joke.

Daniel didn't predict Jesus. All the rest are not predictions because they happened BEFORE Daniel wrote. And Daniel's only "prediction" about Rome is that the Republic "would" (i.e. already had) interfere with Antiochus' attack on Egypt. The 4th Empire is Greek.

I know that the 4th Empire is Greek because Daniel describes the Greek empire in a way that matches the 4th Empire. Nowhere does he describe the Roman Empire. More importantly the End Time vision of Daniel 8 (8:17, 8:19) is clearly about a Greek ruler (8:21-22)

quote:

I personally wouldn't care to try. I look at a calendar, and see it was about 2000 years ago He came. I don't need to harp on the day, that bats it out of the ballpark.

Yet you make that claim in the OP. And then you make it again in the next post. Whether you need to or not you DO make that claim. But you don't have any valid grounds to do so. (And we haven't gone into the fiddling of the start date or the fact that the article you linked to falsely claims that the Jewish year is 360 days to fiddle the calculation further. Try looking up a Jewish calendar if you don't believe me).

And one more point about the seventy weeks. The final week doesn't fit. If the end of the 69th week is the crucifixion, the end of the 70th week must come 7 years later - somewhere around 40 AD. But none of the events of the 70th week happen then. How did Daniel get all that wrong ?


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Message 15 of 365 (470901)
06-13-2008 11:00 AM


quote:
Hi Starman. A hearty welcome to EvC. I agree that this is one of the most significant prophecies concerning the advent of messiah Jesus and just one of the wonderfully fulfilled Biblical prophecies.

So far, you're doing great. Please don't get discouraged and hang in here. We've got the truth on our side.


Hi. Thanks.

I don't discourage easy. I also don't expect much on a forum where people are fairly well educated, since God is not a part of most education.
Sometimes, however, I suspect that some might just have that little seed of faith in something more, and doubt in many of the things they assumed were true.


  
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