Evolution Disproven.

I don't understand why people are still being brainwashed by this false evolution hypothesis... here's some evidence against it...LAWS OF SCIENCE1. No living organism can become something superior to itself.2. Chance cannot cause anything.3. Something cannot come from nothing. (Spontaneous Generation)4. Things move from order to disorder, not the other way around.All of these proven laws of science contradict evolution.Also, some more stuff... Uranus and Venus (I'm pretty sure it's those) are moving in retrograde motion... how could this happen? A "big bang" would make everything rotate/spin the same way...Charles Darwin even admitted that he was randomly throwing out theories and that evolution "could not be true..."Let's have a cool discussion here... evolution v creation...Thanks guys!BTW: Mod, I read that post... sorry about that, won't post the same thing again...

Evolution simply is trash. I agree with you, sir. Evolution is complete junk simply because it is not good science and it cannot have happened. Has anyone sucessfully seen the progress of evolution?
No! Evolution is neither reproducable or observable. With the facts RvX posted above, it shows how evolution is false.CREATION FOR EVER!

I will delete account "Creationist" and ban the associated email. Only one registration is permitted per person. You wouldn't also happen to be Creationist-IIS?--Percy
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No... I'm not Creationist-IIS...I had no idea I could only register once, I'm really very sorry...I thought that it'd be OK to just tell you in the post that I know the rules now... and that I'm sorry for any hassle caused...Thanks...!

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OMG, ok RvX, I hope someone assasinates Kent Hovind for all the brain-washing he has put you through. I am a YEC and I am intelligable enough to pass off this post as complete and utter idiocy and/or luticrus logic [No pun intended]. I understand that you have a seriously major lack in the ToE, so bare with me on my slightly hostile word usage. I think you are in great need of an antidote, stick around here and you may be cured, as well as some apetizers may do well. A elementary biology text book may suit you well. I have two recommendations:Biology - The web of life; Strauss & Lisowski
Biology - Concets & Connections - Second Edition; Campbell et al.--Regarding the Hovind Parroting:
"Also, some more stuff... Uranus and Venus (I'm pretty sure it's those) are moving in retrograde motion... how could this happen? A "big bang" would make everything rotate/spin the same way..."
--Basic lessons in astronomy will deliver you the conventional theories on the origin of planet orbits and rotation sequences. A quick overview of the mainstream Nebula hypothesis will evidently show you that this observation is no surprise. The Big Bang theory has absolutely nothing to do with Uranus and venus."Charles Darwin even admitted that he was randomly throwing out theories and that evolution "could not be true..."
--OMG, someone else help him with this one.--Sorry if reality hurts too much, but you have to stay away from that Hovind/Wyatt/Brown material, it really irritates and turns science into political propaganda and brain-washing tactics.My thoughts on Kent Hovind:
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&f=11&t=17&p=11
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&f=11&t=17&p=12post 158 sets the stage well.------------------

RvX, if your post didn't smell so strongly of troll it might elicit a serious response. Unfortunately that is not the case.

#1 What are TOE and YEC... sorry, not familiar with these terms, lol...#2 Retrograde motion has everything to do with the Big Bang. In the "Big Bang," everything went spinning in the same direction. This proves that wrong.#3 What's wrong with Kent Hovind? OK, maybe his theory may and may not be correct, but he sure does know what he's talking about...I didn't use much from Kent Hovind anyway, basically just the retrograde motion point...TrueCreation: do you believe in Theistic Evolution or something?And guys, doesn't it really put you down to be this rude and insulting to a new member of this forum? Just be cool and tell me what's wrong... thanks.

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[B]I don't understand why people are still being brainwashed by this false evolution hypothesis... here's some evidence against it...LAWS OF SCIENCE1. No living organism can become something superior to itself.[/QUOTE]JM: What exactly do you mean? I have become superior to myself (intellectually anyway) since birth.

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2. Chance cannot cause anything.

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JM: Correct! Chance describes a set of outcomes. What exactly did you mean by this statement? Heads on a coin flip is a chance result. In this case, the chance is 50-50. Chance is not a causative mechanism, but instead describes the probability of an outcome.

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3. Something cannot come from nothing. (Spontaneous Generation)
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JM: This is an important point because.....???

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4. Things move from order to disorder, not the other way around.

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JM: False! I cleaned my desk today. I moved from disorder to order! Now, it's true that I expended energy in doing so.

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All of these proven laws of science contradict evolution.

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JM: You'll need to review 'law' and 'evolution' before posting again.

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Also, some more stuff... Uranus and Venus (I'm pretty sure it's those) are moving in retrograde motion... how could this happen? A "big bang" would make everything rotate/spin the same way...

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JM: Ahh yes, Kent Hovind's head rears. This guy has a fake Ph.D. and is going around pretending to be something he is not. The answer is simple, of course. The 'Big Bang' happened around 12-17 billion years ago. Our solar system only about 5 billion years ago. A big bang would impart a radially-directed force outward. Some spin may be imparted to those objects, but please explain why it would necessarily be unidirectional? Further, explain why an event that occurred 7-12 billion years before the formation of our solar system would provide a 'spin' for the planets in our solar system?

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Charles Darwin even admitted that he was randomly throwing out theories and that evolution "could not be true..."

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JM: You stole that from a creationist. Darwin said no such thing. Could you cite the full source of this 'quote'? Thanks!

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Let's have a cool discussion here... evolution v creation...

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Thanks guys!

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JM:Sure, but let's not bring nonsensical copied arguments to the table, OK?CheersJoe Meert

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LAWS OF SCIENCE

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1. No living organism can become something superior to itself.

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This is logically true, you are yourself so how could you ever be superior to yourself? I am however sure that this is not what you were getting at. Also, individuals don't evolve, populations do, therefore this has no bearing on evolution.

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2. Chance cannot cause anything.

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Chance can cause many things. Maybe you ment 'anything useful' or something like that? However, since evolution does not support 'anything' coming from nothing this statement also has nothing to do with evolution.

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3. Something cannot come from nothing. (Spontaneous Generation)

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Well done. That takes care of creation science (God creating the universe out of nothing). Were are you points against evolution?

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4. Things move from order to disorder, not the other way around.

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I presume you are refering the the Second Law of Thermodynamics?
Evolution no more violates this law than snowflakes do (ordered crystals forming out of water). Thermodynamics does not strickly have to do with order and disorder. Care to read a textbook?

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All of these proven laws of science contradict evolution.

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All of these laws? I'm sorry but I detect only one reference to a 'law of science' and you clearly misunderstand the law and its applications.

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Also, some more stuff... Uranus and Venus (I'm pretty sure it's those) are moving in retrograde motion... how could this happen? A "big bang" would make everything rotate/spin the same way...

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Addressed by TC.

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Charles Darwin even admitted that he was randomly throwing out theories and that evolution "could not be true..."

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Really? Care to give me a reference? Or is this another creationist misquote?

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#1 What are TOE and YEC... sorry, not familiar with these terms, lol...

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TOE = Theory of Evolution
YEC = Young Earth Creationist

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#2 Retrograde motion has everything to do with the Big Bang. In the "Big Bang," everything went spinning in the same direction. This proves that wrong.

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Retrograde motion has nothing to do with the BB (Big Bang). The universe expanded into a true vaccume. Where does the BB say that everything went 'spinning in the same direction'?

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#3 What's wrong with Kent Hovind? OK, maybe his theory may and may not be correct, but he sure does know what he's talking about...

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Given that his 'theory' is not scientific and that his objections to the ToE are laughable. I submit that he does not know what he is talking about.------------------
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Ummm hate to point this out but retrograde motion has nothing to do with the direction of spin, in fact it is due to the fact that we observe the planets moving in their orbits from a planet which is itself moving in orbit...This leads to apparent backtracking across the background of the stars we observe this retrograde motion in all planets in our solar system....Hovinds use of the term retrograde motion proves beyond doubt that he is a clueless moron...

TC: Well done!!! And from the loyal opposition, to boot! (Percy: We need an applause smilie.)

Creationist: If I might point you to this post on this forum. I laid out the process you're declaiming against in a way my 12-year-old understood (although I had to explain some of the terminology). Maybe you could share your incredible insights on that thread?

I think most of this post has been covered, but I'll add
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I don't understand why people are still being brainwashed by this false evolution hypothesis... here's some evidence against it...

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LAWS OF SCIENCE

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1. No living organism can become something superior to itself.

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Evolution is not about 'becoming superior' only about change
brought about by environmental pressure.

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2. Chance cannot cause anything.

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No (as mentioned by someone else) ... but if there is a
probability of something happen then that event CAN happen
no matter how remote you might beleive the chance to be.The 'chance' of flipping a coin to heads is 1/2, that doesn't
mean that flipping a coin 100 times will result in 50 heads
and 50 tails.

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3. Something cannot come from nothing. (Spontaneous Generation)

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In respect of evolution, no one is saying that it did.

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4. Things move from order to disorder, not the other way around.

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Explain this more ... what do you mean by order and disorder ?In my understanding of those terms, in a metaphysical sense,
order is a sub-set of disorder. That's just my opinion ...
one of my more whacky one's perhaps, but ...

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All of these proven laws of science contradict evolution.

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Also, some more stuff... Uranus and Venus (I'm pretty sure it's those) are moving in retrograde motion... how could this happen? A "big bang" would make everything rotate/spin the same way...

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Charles Darwin even admitted that he was randomly throwing out theories and that evolution "could not be true..."

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Let's have a cool discussion here... evolution v creation...

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Thanks guys!

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BTW: Mod, I read that post... sorry about that, won't post the same thing again...

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I don't understand why people are still being brainwashed by this false evolution hypothesis... here's some evidence against it...

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I'd parody this about Creationism, but there are a few Creationists here I respect, so I will hold my tongue.

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LAWS OF SCIENCE

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You're butchering the word LAW - in science it is something that explains a phenomena without explaining why, such as gravity. A THEORY is something that explains both what and why, such as Evolution which which explains phylogenetic diversity (what) as a natural consequence of the existence of self replicating entities (why).

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1. No living organism can become something superior to itself.

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Superior is a subjective term, and without definition it is meaningless.Also, if a bacteria in a slightly poisonous environment gives rise to an offspring with a mutation making it more resistant to the poison, is that offspring not superior?

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2. Chance cannot cause anything.

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Chance is not a causative agent, it is the measure of the probability of some event occuring based on knowledge of the conditions required for the event and those present.

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3. Something cannot come from nothing. (Spontaneous Generation)

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Who said 'nothing' ever existed?

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4. Things move from order to disorder, not the other way around.

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This only applies in closed systems. If you would so kindly go outside and look up at the small yellow thing in the bright blue thing, you'd see that this doesn't apply to the earth. If you would so kindly stop eating and drinking, you'd see this doesn't apply to living things.

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All of these proven laws of science contradict evolution.

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Wrong on all accounts.

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Also, some more stuff... Uranus and Venus (I'm pretty sure it's those) are moving in retrograde motion... how could this happen? A "big bang" would make everything rotate/spin the same way...

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The Big Bang wasn't homogenous, hence the fact the universe isn't uniform by any standard.

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Charles Darwin even admitted that he was randomly throwing out theories and that evolution "could not be true..."

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Source this or shut yer yap.

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Let's have a cool discussion here... evolution v creation...

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We are already doing so elsewhere, something which your mindnumbing post is working against, not for.

To the evolutionists: Is it really any fun hitting home runs off a little leaguer?To TC: You get an attaboy! To RvX: If the topic really interests you, hang in there. --Percy
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