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Asyncritus
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Message 1 of 6 (588296)
10-23-2010 3:49 PM


If there is a subject that renders evolution theory entirely helpless and useless, it is the one I am now raising.
Today (October 23, 2010), one of the miracles of the Natural World has occurred, and this has prompted me to write this post.
There will be no evolutionary explanation of these facts which have been so thoroughly documented. There can be none, and to be frank, if I was an evolutionist, these facts would have me reaching for my sick bucket.
But you must be the judge.
THE SWALLOWS OF CAPISTRANO
Every year on March 18thTime has newsreel footage of this actually happening some years ago - the swallows return to the town of San Juan Capistrano in California. Many people flock to see the sight, apparently. A song has been written about this: ‘When the Swallows return to Capistrano.’
The previous day, the 17th, the scouts of the flock come sweeping in, then fly back out to sea. On the 18th itself, they come in clouds, to nest and breed. Then, on October 23rd, they fly up, circle the town, saying goodbye it seems, and then fly away.
The problems posed for evolution theory are nothing less than horrendous.
They fall into 2 main groups: 1 Origin of the behaviour and 2 Transmission of the behaviour
How did this behaviour originate?
The birds navigate 7,500 miles from Goya in Argentina to San Juan Capistrano so accurately and infallibly, that they arrive ON THE VERY DAY each year. They leave ON THE VERY SAME DAY every year.
There is no guesswork about this. The behaviour has benn documented innumerable times - indeed, it is so well known, that a song was written about it: When the Swallows Come Back to Capistrano.
Extraordinary as the distance travelled may be, the exactitude of the dating of the arrival and departure of the birds is no less so.
How do they know when to start the flight? How do they manage to arrive on the very same date every year? Do they have a calendar of some sort built in to them somehow? And if so, how does it work? And how did it all begin?
Trial and error is pure nonsense. Nothing could be more conducive to the extinction of a species than a flight of 7,500 miles, not knowing where to go, and what's waiting at the other end.
A navigational error of 1 degree to the west, and they would be belly up in the Pacific ocean. Extinction of the species, since they ALL make the flight.
Yet, they do it - every year, on the same date.
Evolution has to answer to the question of how the behaviour could have originated.
Transmission of the Behaviour
Since they do this from one generation to the next, the required navigational skills and the urge to do this thing occur in every generation, then it is obvious that it is contained somewhere in the genome - one supposes.
But that raises the even more horrific question - how did it get in there? How it originated is bad enough, but getting into the genome?
Evolution flounders hopelessly, and I remind readers of the dictum that a single fact which the theory cannot explain, renders it invalid:
you can disprove a theory by finding even a single observation that disagrees with the predictions of the theory. (Stephen Hawking)
This is not, of course, the only example which could be brought to bear, but it will do for a start.
Bibliography
Alleyne, Wilfred (2010) How does Instinct Evolve?
http://www.true2ourselves.com/? Bible Discussions?
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Message 2 of 6 (588317)
10-23-2010 6:37 PM
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10-23-2010 3:49 PM


Hi Asyncritus, welcome to EvC Forum!
Some of the content of your thread proposal comes from other websites. Rule 7 of the Forum Guidelines states:
  1. Never include material not your own without attribution to the original source.
If you could edit your message to fix this lack and then post a note when you're done, I'll take another look.

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Asyncritus
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Message 3 of 6 (588401)
10-25-2010 8:47 AM
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Um,
It comes from my own material on my own website, admin.
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10-25-2010 9:20 AM
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Asyncritus writes:
It comes from my own material on my own website, admin.
Loading...? Bible Discussions?
A section of your post is a cut-n-paste from one of these websites, neither of which indicates any association with an "Asyncritus".
I cannot promote a thread whose opening post contains unattributed cut-n-pastes.

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Message 5 of 6 (588526)
10-26-2010 12:15 PM
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Amendment made to bibliography

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Message 6 of 6 (588531)
10-26-2010 12:36 PM
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10-26-2010 12:15 PM


Hi Asyncritus,
I sense some confusion. You claimed the cut-n-pasted material was from your own website, but when I asked which one of two websites containing the material was your website you then cut-n-pasted my line listing the links onto the bottom on your post. How does that identify what part of your message was cut-n-pasted from another website, or which website it was from?
Here's an example of what is needed:
Picasso was determined to make his own way, as characterized by this passage from the Artchive website:
Artchive writes:
He was a rebel from the start and, as a teenager, began to frequent the Barcelona cafes where intellectuals gathered. He soon went to Paris, the capital of art, and soaked up the works of Manet, Gustave Courbet, and Toulouse-Lautrec, whose sketchy style impressed him greatly. Then it was back to Spain, a return to France, and again back to Spain - all in the years 1899 to 1904.
"Before he struck upon Cubism, Picasso went through a prodigious number of styles - realism, caricature, the Blue Period, and the Rose Period.
Clearly Picasso worked hard at developing an independent style, but at the same time...
This example shows the cut-n-pasted text in a quote box distinctly separate from my own text, and it provides a link to the page where the original cut-n-pasted text can be found. You need to do something similar.

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