Enter the Matrix! (creationist websites)

We have often hear it said that lots of the creationist sites are incorrect only because they do not know any better. Some more cynical have claimed that some of the people know that the information on their sites is incorrect but wish to promote a false picture of things.Here is a little experiement I would like to run:1. Examine the following site: http://www.thematrix.co.uk/2. See if we can identify and classify any errors,mistakes and so forth.3. I will then e-mail the webmasters with possible corrections.4. we will then see if those corrections appear or if the site is altered in any way.For this to work, we need to concentrate on the elements that are clearly wrong. I would suggest that the Pitdown man is a good place to start?I have already posted this comment on their site:

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Just out of interest - I notice a number of factal errors on your site. Would it be useful for me to point them out?

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Pitdown man for example is incorrect - It was never accepted by science in the sense that you are reporting.

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I can provided detailed references and a complete account if you are interested.

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we are currently tracking this enquiry over at (In the thread "Enter the Matrix! (creationist websites)")

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Best Charles Knight

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Can I suggest that as a starting point that we identify a area in which we can write a concise reply for me to e-mail off to the writers of the site.Here is a text version of the site:http://www.thematrix.co.uk/textmap.aspThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 12-05-2004 07:09 PMThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 12-05-2004 07:12 PM

How about that one?

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The Moon - The Moon is receding from the earth at approximately 4cm a year & this would have been greater in the past. If the moon had started in contact with the earth (which is impossible) that would give a maximum age (not actual) of 1.37 billion years. Far younger than the 4.6 billion evolutionists claim. (see topic: The Moon: Still here!)

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Moon is 40,000,000,000 (40**9) ((400,000 km * 100,000 cm per km)) cm away now. So we we run the clock backwards we would have it at 4*10**9 cm closer a billion years earlier or 36*10**9 cm away.And 4 billion years ago it would have been about half as far as it is now, not touching.The only way that we have it closer if it was in fact faster before but a lot faster. What do tidal calculations show for that?

Excellent Ned - if you examine the "join the campaign page", you will be able to see me add the comments.I'm sure we will see a positive and even-handed response soon.

Damm, I thought you wanted me to post too. I did.Others should just let Charles post to their site since you don't want them having your email address.

I find their content credits page to be interesting. Sagan and Gould along with Safarti and Woodmorappe. Gish, Austin, Baumgardner, Grasse, Haeckel, Ham, Hoyle, and Huxley are also credited. It might be interesting to make a site map of where these individuals are quoted and what is quoted.(I do feel a little better that ok' Kent isn't among the elite)

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it's a bit tricky really - you have to use an email address per post.Never mind - I'm sure that the double post (of a sort) will show then that we at EVCForum are interested in high-level debate with them.I'll see if there is an admin address and we can "cut out the middleman" - I think for the sake of clear communications, that this thread will be the clearing house and I will act as the liason - is that acceptable to people?

This will be interesting, I can't wait to see what they do!
On a quick glance at the site I found this:"How can one basic kind of organism change into something fundamentally different? A pig farmer in the UK heard an evolutionist academic talk about how breeding of farm animals shows evolution. At the end of the lecture the pig farmer said, 'Professor, I don't understand what you are talking about. When I breed pigs, I get pigs if it were not so I would be out of business!' "Haha, that pig farmer sure showed the big nasty scientist!
-Brad

they had the equation on their page ned!"For the technical reader: since tidal forces are inversely proportional to the cube of the distance, the recession rate (dR/dt) is inversely proportional to the sixth power of the distance. So dR/dt = k/R6, where k is a constant = (present speed: 0.04 m/year) x (present distance: 384,400,000 m)6 = 1.29x1050 m7/year. Integrating this differential equation gives the time to move from RI to Rf as t = 1/7k(Rf7 - RI7). For Rf = the present distance and RI = 0, i.e. the earth and moon touching, t = 1.37 x 109 years."

Thanks I missed that, interestingThere is a heck of detailed discussion of the problem here:The Recession of the Moon and the Age of the Earth-Moon SystemIt seems that the present continental formation produces very much higher than normal recession right now.It has been measured based for times past it seems.This message has been edited by NosyNed, 12-06-2004 02:32 AM

Maybe you allready know about this.Seems to be the definitive internet discourse on the Piltdown Man:
http://home.tiac.net/~cri_a/piltdown/piltdown.htmlMoose

I was unaware of that site - Thanks M - it seems a most detailed account.Many thanksCharles.

ROFL. I like the part of their intro that says "behind every lie, there is a motive." I wonder if they know Hovind? I wonder if they even know they're lying?There's certainly no shortage of PRATTs there - I'll find some good refutations of some today if I get the time. "Short period comets" is always good for some mileage....

I like the one about the dino fossils and stuff.

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Un-mineralized (‘un-fossilised’) dinosaur bones.1 How could these bones, some of which even have blood cells in them, be 65 million years or more old? It stretches the imagination to believe they are even many thousands of years old.

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For one thing, if we indeed have found blood cells, shouldn't we also have dino DNA too?

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