"Evidence and Faith"

I wanted to ask if creation science is valid at all, but this is too broad of a question. Obviously most here think that the method of creation science is not valid, as it does not follow the scientific method, or at least the people doing it seem not too.But in all the years so far that creation science has been around, has there every been any solid (objective) evidence that the world was created?I ask this question because believe it or not, in my church I am an outspoken component against mentioning things of science in church, or things like orbs in pictures, and gems found on peoples lawns are evidence of God. I speak against "proving God", or more correctly, "objectively proving God"
I am not well liked when I speak these things out, and I have been told that people can believe what they want to believe, and I guess they obviously can say whatever they want to say. I am not comfortable with that. About the only one that really has a realistic view on it, is the senior Pastor, and when I point these things out to him, he corrects himself, and realizes that the church should not be promoting these ideas.I am planning on approaching the entire elder committee, and Pastors, as well as the core leaders (I am one of the core leaders) on this matter, but I want to put it together in a manor that they will realize that what they are doing is incorrect. Answering this question is one step in that direction.This whole issue may determine if I stay in the church or not. This is a difficult decision, as I influence many people, and I am a mentor for many.I had a meeting with my Senior Pastor, and explained this to him. He will accept what I give him, and consider it. If it is truth, then he will present it to the church, as it would probably go over better coming from him. With your help, I can help rid one church of phoney miracles, and possibly preaching about creation science. But I need to get my facts on order.I already have the proof about orbs in pictures, and enough evidence about the phoney gems. Also, the phrase "proving God" should be eliminated for obvious reasons, as nothing in science is ever "proven."Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

You are finding yourself in an interesting situation, Rat. I have grown to believe that I can never "prove" God on an intellectual and/or empirical level. I believe that God is evident in my heart and through my spiritual growth, however. Both you and I know that as believers, we have been taught that neither God nor creationism can ever be proven. (at least I don't think so.)Does that make our faith any less valid as Christians? IMO, No.BTW, where do you want to go with this topic? What is your central question?

I would echo the sentiments of AdminPhat in Message 8. You seem to be wrestling with issues revolving around how intertwined faith should be with evidence. I would suggest one of the religious forums, probably [forum=-6], and perhaps a title change to "Evidence and Faith".

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

My central question is in bold, and yes I agree with you phat.faith and belief sounds fine, and changing the title is fine with me also.

I changed it around a bit, can we promote it? I want to move on this subject in my church.

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