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Hey, NO-ONE EVER told me there was a "free for all" here !I done GAVE up on this forum.I will take it that there is NO inteference from the moderators?Or is there?I still wanted to take up issue with Iwinkisis , who thought that one day man will learn EVERYTHING in the universe.Where is she?Wise

No one ever said that. She mearly pointed out the fact that you, nor anybody, knows the limitations of human knowledge. We may very well be capable.

Yeah, it's pretty hard to figure out what we can't know. After all, a current lack of knowledge is not indicative of a permanent lack of knowledge.

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I will take it that there is NO inteference from the moderators?

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I think Admin might get involved if there were, say, copyright violations, or something similar which might get the site in trouble...------------------
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Havw you read John Barrows' book 'Impossibility : The Limits of Science and the Science of Limits'. It discusses the question of whether it is even theoretically possible, let alone practically, for man to know everything about the universe.

YARO---No one ever said that. She mearly pointed out the fact that you, nor anybody, knows the limitations of human knowledge. We may very well be capable.Wise---Sure she said it.She said that man will one day enter blackholes and stand upon distant planets and know everything in the universe.My guess is that she reads an awful lot of SciFi.I wanted to let her know that it"Ain't gonna happen"...Impossible.Now, I would like her to explain herself further.Oh, and Yaro, just to let you know a little secret....MAN WILL NEVER BE CAPABLE...because we do not have the ability nor the brain capacity. I mean, do you think we will stand upon the gazillion of planets in the universe and study them?Wise[This message has been edited by Wise, 09-10-2003]

John----I think Admin might get involved if there were, say, copyright violations, or something similar which might get the site in trouble...Wise---No worry.
I do not violate copyright laws but I DO have some pics.Wise

Crashfrog---Yeah, it's pretty hard to figure out what we can't know. After all, a current lack of knowledge is not indicative of a permanent lack of knowledge.Wise---Not hard at all. I GUARANTEE that you will not know ANYTHING about the gazillion of planets out there other than that they exist, or a few teeni-tiny tidbits of info, IF THAT.So yes, it IS a permanent lack of knowledge.My point is this...If man cannot, nor will he EVER understand everything in the Universe, then how can he EVER understand its creation, or the fact that there is a god?I mean, if you cannot understand what is before you, how can you understand its creation? or creator?Wise

Just to be clarify: Yaro may believe that, but it certainly not a view held by all Atheists. Nor does the existence of limits on our knowledge provide any evidence for god, or imply that any particular piece of knowledge is beyond us.And, please, please, learn to use the 'Reply To' button at the bottom of each message, rather than use the generic 'Post Reply' button at the bottom of the topic.

True True Unsupported assertion, there is no reason to suppose that we need to know everthing about the universe in order to understand its creation.

Wise---If one cannot know all {knowledge limitations)then how can one ever enter into the dimension of the unknown, where a god would reside?Wise

Huh? What dimension of the unknown would that be then?

You HAVE to understand the BASICS BEFORE you can understand the full picture.Otherwise you enter into a "guess zone".And guess zones don't cut it.God is a guess zone to an atheist. He cannot understand him so he makes guesses.Wise

Quite right. Now explain why I have to know where a particular grain of dust on some far distant planet is before I can know any relevant basics. Understanding the principles behind something does not require us to know the state of everything before or after the event, only those parts relevant to the question in hand.

The unseen.God has been described as being an "extradimensional god". There are known to be 10-11 dimensions of time /space. If a god exists within these dimensions he certainly cannot be seen. From these dimensions the earth could certainly appear very differently.The Biblical FACT of the earth having "pillars" and "foundations" could certainly be real if seen from these other dimensions.But the BASICS must be understood FIRST and we will NEVER be able to understand the basics with our limited knowledge so we can NEVER really understand a god who created it.To an atheist, god is simply too "deep"Wise