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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Should Canada and the U.S. tolerate an intolerant Islam?
I have linked below to a debate in Britain on Islam and their view of intolerance and as to whether the West should reciprocate in kind and not tolerate Islam and their ideology. I also have linked to two speakers who look a bit deeper at the Western situation facing Canada the U.S. as well as other Western countries. I have intentionally ignored the French situation as well as what is happening in the Netherlands as I want to speak primarily to the ideology and not the violence of Islam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlerISGgT5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSMcQqa0lvo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl2-YnbI-iw ------------ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQELHJx8Vf0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVskhzJR6NU ---------- Do unto others as you would like done unto you, or some alternative of this reciprocity rule, is a recognized moral tenet that most moral theologies and philosophies follow. Islam, in most of its forms, is thought by most to be homophobic and misogynous. At its worse, it will kill Muslim women just for not wearing a proper head and or face covering. The Hebdo murders also show how far they will go to prevent freedom of speech and expression. If the West, including Canada and the U.S., continues to allow Muslim immigration we will also have to live in fear of having Islam attack us if we happen to offend their religious sensitivities by speech or expression. Do we really want the type of future that they are presently suffering east of the Atlantic? Should we close our borders to Islam before we have to suffer Islamic fundamentalist, extremists and even moderate who will attack our political systems so as to implement Sharia? If we look at some Islamic countries, we see that they have basically banned Western ideology. Should we do unto Islam what they are doing unto us and ban their ideology in our Western countries? RegardsDL Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Greatest I am writes: The Hebdo murders also show how far they will go to prevent freedom of speech and expression. Of course. And The Troubles in Northern Island show just how far Catholics and Protestants will go to kill and maim. Clearly Muslims, Catholics and Protestants should be excluded from within Canadian and US borders. And given well known Jewish evils, how fortunate we were prior to WWII to prevent wholesale immigration of European Jews into our country. --Percy
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Percy
If they, like Islam, allow for child brides, wife beating and have a rape law, them for sure, those you mention should also be banned from Canada and the U.S. Have you seen the latest news? Syrian refugees not welcome in 31 U.S. states | CNN RegardsDL
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8552 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
As long as we're going to abandon one of our national core values we could go ahead and sell the Statue of Liberty for scrap. We could get, maybe $225k for all that copper and another $60K for the steel superstructure. Then we could turn Liberty Island into a mini-mall kinda thing. I'm sure we could get a Starbucks, a McDonald's, a Subway maybe even a Baskin-Robbins.
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Jon Inactive Member |
As long as we're going to abandon one of our national core values What core value is that?Love your enemies!
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
satire font needed.
hint: what is written on the Statue Of Liberty and elsewhere in the sacred texts.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
AZPaul3
"abandon one of our national core values" Which of your core values says that you cannot protect your ideology or close your borders to those who would undermine it? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
xongsmith
Oops. I used the sacred text this AM during my morning routine. RegardsDL
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8552 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Which of your core values says that you cannot protect your ideology or close your borders to those who would undermine it? The same one that DOES NOT say that all Muslims are terrorists until proven otherwise.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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Stop being part of the problem.
How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you seem to be going down the exact same path as those we want to stop? The problem we are facing is that some people have taken their personal ideology (Islam) way too seriously. Then, they take offense to someone else's ideology ("Western ideology"). From there, they incorporate discrimination and overreaction to wanting to stop all westerners. You seem to take your personal ideology ("Western ideology") way too seriously. Now, you've taken offense to someone else's ideology (Islam). From there, you've incorporated discrimination and overreaction to wanting to stop all Muslims. You are part of the problem. Stop being part of the problem. Discrimination and overreaction is part of the problem. If you want to retaliate and attack those that did this damage... then find those that actually did this damage and retaliate against them. Just because that's a difficult task doesn't mean you're validated into taking the easy road and wrongly attacking an entire group of people who have nothing to do with the damage other than interpreting the same religion in a very different way. Your overreaction into "all Islam is bad" or "all Muslims are bad" is exactly the same as the path that led to the damage in the first place. Your continued progression down this path will only solidify the similarities between you and ISIS.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
AZPaul3
The issue is not so much terrorism. It is preventing those who are bringing an incompatible ideology, Sharia, into the country and who will try to undermine ours. Give a listen to the last link I gave. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Stile
I know that all Muslims are not bad but it is impossible to differentiate the bad from the good and even the good seem to go bad if the situation, enclaves, ghettoes and no go zones are any indication. The bad ones seem to be the majority. "If you want to retaliate and attack those that did this damage... then find those that actually did this damage and retaliate against them. Just because that's a difficult task doesn't mean you're validated into taking the easy road and wrongly attacking an entire group of people who have nothing to do with the damage other than interpreting the same religion in a very different way." You would have us do the difficult task while people die when there is no need for them to die at all. Islam has to reform and the only way we can help it reform is to keep the "good" Muslims in the "bad" Muslims so as they can reform the "bad" Muslims. RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Whatever laws they may have had where they came from are irrelevant. When they come here, they're subject to our laws, just like anybody else.
If they, like Islam, allow for child brides, wife beating and have a rape law, them for sure, those you mention should also be banned from Canada and the U.S.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
There's a Muslim school a few blocks from my house; the kids are like any other Canadian kids - they like video games, etc. We have halal restaurants and grocery stores on every corner. I rub shoulders with Muslims every day. I've never met a bad one yet.
The bad ones seem to be the majority.
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