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Monk Member (Idle past 3945 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
In the Al Gore, the Internet, and the Gullibility of the Populace thread, it has been suggested that the news media in general and CNN in particular has begun a trend towards conservative or right wing viewpoints. In other words, organizations such as CNN are attempting to put forth an image that is more supportive of conservative viewpoints because they wish to improve their market share.
This has not always been the case. But due to the success of Fox News, which many consider (including myself) to be a conservative news outlet, the strategy is to move right. I disagree with this claim as it pertains to CNN and that CNN has an overall neutral approach to expressing political ideologies. That is not so say CNN does not have journalist and commentators on staff who tend to support right wing viewpoints, they do. But I believe they also have sufficient left wing representation to balance out. So my question is this: Do you believe certain news media outlets are attempting to resolve their market share problem by appearing to support conservative or right leaning positions? If so, does this represent a true change in ideology or is it merely expediency for the sake of corporate profits? There are numerous media watchdog groups who claim to expose bias in the news media. Here are a few:
Media Research Center (conservative site which claims to expose liberal bias)
Accuracy in Media (conservative site which claims to expose liberal bias)
Pew Research Center For the People and the Press (non-partisan organization which studies attitudes towards the press)
Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (liberal site which claims to expose conservative bias)
Media Matters for America (liberal site which claims to expose conservative bias)
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: I think CNN is trying to rewrite a formula that has worked on FOX, namely trying to make news interesting by making it controversial. Do you watch O'Reilly for news or for rhetoric? Hannity and Colmes? Or even the CNBC or MSNBC copycats? It is impossible to create this type of contentious debate without presenting rhetoric from both sides of the aisle. It is also impossible to create debate and entertainment without bias.
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Monk Member (Idle past 3945 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
quote: Yes, but don't you think they can do that without necessarily moving towards the right? If anything, I would think they could create more controversy, (translate that to ratings), by replicating FOX's formula except with a more left wing slant. FOX has already staked claim to the right wing, how can CNN hope to succeed by imulating a "me too" strategy? What will happen when everyone rushes to the right? Won't that leave a void that begs to be filled? This message has been edited by Monk, Tue, 04-12-2005 03:59 PM
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: I can confidently say I have never seen a leftwinger or a leftwing argument on CNN ever. I think you mistaking soft conservatives with left wingers.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3948 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
the entirety of human culture has been making a steady shift toward the conservative for... oh since the last time the pope died? the last pope was very (relatively) liberal. what happened just 40 years ago in this country? huge liberal outpouring from all sides. then what happened? those hippies and their children grew up and got scared (of commies in the 70s especially) and 'found jesus'. not to mention the apathy of the youth (the expected source of levftist revolutionary thought) which prevents their influence on the government.
why did this happen? because liberalism (note. i use this in the new meaning which makes me cringe.) failed to give our parents the stability they thought they needed. it failed to solve all their problems all at once. so they made a huge shift to the right. where have we seen this before? the fall of the weimar republic and the rise of Nazi fascism. and yes i am calling our government fascist.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I think a bigger issue has to do with labeling. In the past, news reporting and editorial comment were clearly marked and deliniated. That has been dropped infavor of making news "Interesting". It is much harder to seperate reporting and editorial on ALL of the media.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: I don't know about that. I don't ever recall Noam Chomsky, Edward Said, or Ward Churchill (before the recent controversy) ever having their opinions or analyses broadcast on CNN. I have to ask the same question others are asking: just what do you consider "left wing"? Whenever I hear people complaining about "liberals" or "left wing" bias, it always seems to me that they are really complaining about moderate, even right-of-center opinions.
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Tal Member (Idle past 5697 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
The news media aren't in the business of reporting the news, they are in the business of selling commercials. Period.
That means they are going to "lean" whichever way will give them ratings, thus helping them sell more commercials. Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 No webpage found at provided URL: www.1st-vets.us |
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Monk Member (Idle past 3945 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
quote: It is relative isn't it? It's true that labels are misleading. Many wrong assumptions are made when using labels that represent broad sterotypes. In regards to CNN and the use of left wing or liberals, I would point out the show "Crosstalk" on CNN as an example. I believe the views of Paul Begala and James Carville to be from the "left". They describe themselves that way and I agree. But again, it's all relative. Both of these gentlemen seem to be right wing in contrast to Ward Churchill.
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Monk Member (Idle past 3945 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
quote: I agree and believe the format and success of FOX News coupled with the decline of the evening news on the "big 3" networks, (ABC,CBS,NBC) are the main reasons. I wonder if the line between reporting and editorilizing has been permanently blurred. Print media is a different story though.
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Monk Member (Idle past 3945 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
contracycle writes: I think you mistaking soft conservatives with left wingers. Then give some examples that you consider to be "left wing". I'm curious because this ties into my other posts regarding labels as being relative. This message has been edited by Monk, Wed, 04-13-2005 09:20 PM
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: quote: http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Left-wing
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nator Member (Idle past 2190 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well...what do you mean by "both sides of the aisle? Where is the very left-leaning "liberal" side of these debates? I generally see very right-wing views represented on the right, and, at most, moderate to conservative left-leaning views on the left, if they are left-leaning at all. Often times it is not a debate between "left" and "right" even though it is presented that way. It is often a debate between "far right" and "moderate right", with the "moderate right" being painted as "liberal". Hell, we have the NeoCons in congress gunning for Arlen-frigging-Specter because they view him as not being a "real Republican". So, we see far right-wing Republicans represented all the time. Where are the far left wing liberals?
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nator Member (Idle past 2190 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: The "void" has been there for a long time already. I think as the general populace has become less educated and spends it's time consuming corporate entertainment, including dumbed-down TV news, instead of really working to educate themselves on and understand complex issues, it has become more conservative. Specifically, it has allowed the rise of the NeoCons. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 04-14-2005 07:39 AM
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nator Member (Idle past 2190 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: And that is exactly the point, monk. When you have a show where one side is presented as, let's say, "conservative Republican" that actually is, and the other side is persented as "Liberal" that actually does not represent many or any true liberal views, that is evidence of a large shift to the right.
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