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Author Topic:   Converting raw energy into biological energy
Rob 
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Message 1 of 3 (419242)
09-01-2007 7:23 PM


In a previous thread; http://EvC Forum: Miscellaneous Topics in Creation/Evolution / Take 2 -->EvC Forum: Miscellaneous Topics in Creation/Evolution / Take 2 AdminNosey writes:
As for reinstatement in the Origins thread you don't show any sign that you will be able to contribute and that you won't just clutter it up with 10th grade biology while others of us want to learn something about current chemical research in abiogenesis. What do you think you need to be back there for exactly?
I have some more questions...
Have you seen this article?: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070820/ap_on_sc/artificial_life
This excerpt from it tells the true tale:
"Bedau figures there are three major hurdles to creating synthetic life:
” A container, or membrane, for the cell to keep bad molecules out, allow good ones, and the ability to multiply.
” A genetic system that controls the functions of the cell, enabling it to reproduce and mutate in response to environmental changes.
” A metabolism that extracts raw materials from the environment as food and then changes it into energy."
I brought it up because of this post: http://EvC Forum: How to make a ribozyme (using abiotic starting compounds) -->EvC Forum: How to make a ribozyme (using abiotic starting compounds)
And I want to focus on the last bullet point of the excerpt above. What evidence is there that raw energy is able to catalyze biological processes?
Molbiogirl and Doddy were both suggesting (presupposing) that biological function had a precursor to fermentation, photosynthesis and respiration. But there is no such precursor found in the fossil record or anywhere else that I am aware of.
They and Matt P, had been referring to self replicating enzymes that rely on these systems of energy conversion and other cell processes for which they exist, and are therefore not self replicating. I made the point to molbiogirl that they are not self anything...
I was subsequently kicked out of origins for asking too many hard questions that some find sophomoric. Honestly, I did rant a bit and resort to Bible preaching when frustrated that my questions were obfuscated; I thought is was intentional. I do not believe so now. I think that some of you have simply moved past the evidence and take for granted that it is possible based upon your 'methodological naturalist' bias. Molbiogirl spoke of a theoretical explanation for the problem of energy conversion. And I must confess that it is probably internally coherent, but there is no external evidence to support or test it. I want to discuss the subject.
Is there evidence of raw energy being useful for biological systems or not? And... would it take more energy to create a system of conversion than the raw energy to be converted provides? This question is the real problem thermodynamically. ( Thermodynamic Arguments for Creation )
Origin of Life please... Reinstatement please...
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09-01-2007 11:41 PM


Any CreoAdmin assistance is welcome also...

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09-02-2007 7:12 AM


Thread copied to the Converting raw energy into biological energy thread in the Origin of Life forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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