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robinrohan Inactive Member |
The scientific question is, "What religious group do people in certain populations self-identifywith?" That's all very well, but it doesn't mean much.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Again, how do you know this? quote: ...which means "just believe me cuz I know, cuz I just do." In other words, you "feel" that this is the case but you can't demonstrate it to be so. Right? Remember, the whole point of my bringing these stats into this discussion is that the claim was made that Atheists and Agnostics "fill the prisons" along with believers, when the opposite is supported by the data. You have provided no rational argument for why we should discard all of the data.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You have provided no rational argument for why we should discard all of the data. What I'm saying is that just because somebody calls themselves a Christian, in prison, it doesn't mean much. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: quote: Do you reject the self-reported data from the general population? Why or why not? Do you reject all self-reported data? Why or why not?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So why are the numbers of Christians and Atheists/Agnostics in prison fairly close to that found in the general population?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Do you reject the self-reported data from the general population? Why or why not? Not all. It depends on the popularity of the response. Do you recall a case of voting whre this black man was running for some office and supposedly he was supposed to win, and he lost by a landslide? It's because people didn't want to say they weren't going to vote for him, due to politically correct pressure.
Do you reject all self-reported data? Why or why not? No. Depends on the circumstances.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
So why are the numbers of Christians and Atheists/Agnostics in prison fairly close to that found in the general population? "Fairly close"? Anyway, it doesn't matter. It proves nothing.
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
You mean like 95% of Ireland calling themselves Romans Catholic and in a population of 15000 where I live the Roman Catholic church gets maybe 150 attending on Sundays (average age over 50)
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You mean like 95% of Ireland calling themselves Romans Catholic and in a population of 15000 where I live the Roman Catholic church gets maybe 150 attending on Sundays (average age over 50) Yes, and why do they call themselves that?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
So why are the numbers of Christians and Atheists/Agnostics in prison fairly close to that found in the general population? quote: Yes. Prison population-Christian: 83.761%General population-Christian:76.5% Prison population-Atheist:0.21%General population-Atheist:0.9%-13.2% (depending upon how you count them) Very close, I'd say.
quote: Nothing proves anything. There is data. How do you explain the data? How do you explain the very similar numbers between the two populations? Why would there be such a similar proportion if people answer randomly or inaccurately most of the time?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
How do you explain the very similar numbers between the two populations? 83 and 76? Quite a few more "Christians" in prison, I'd say.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
You mean like 95% of Ireland calling themselves Romans Catholic and in a population of 15000 where I live the Roman Catholic church gets maybe 150 attending on Sundays (average age over 50) quote: This is irrelevant to my point, FYI. The point I was challenging was that Atheists and Agnostics "fill the prisons" just as much as believers due to their "low morals". This is not true, as the data shows.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
The point I was challenging was that Atheists and Agnostics "fill the prisons" just as much as believers due to their "low morals".
Just because you are an atheist doesn't mean you have low morals, but we don't need a survey to figure that out.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
How do you explain the very similar numbers between the two populations? quote: I never thought I'd have to gice a stats/math lesson to a teacher, but there's a first for everything, I suppose. Do you notice anything about the relative similarity between the proportions of the two groups in prison and the two groups in the general population? These two numbers are pretty similar:
Prison population-Christian: 83.761% General population-Christian:76.5% ..and these two numbers are pretty similar:
Prison population-Atheist:0.21% General population-Atheist:0.9%-13.2% (depending upon how you count them) Why might we see this?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: But we DO need a survey to know if Atheists and Agnostics "fill the prisons" just as much as believers do. When we look at the data, we see that they do not.
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