Only a Theory: Evolution and the Battle for America's Soul by Ken Miller

I preordered this new book by Ken Miller several months ago, and it just arrived yesterday. I'll probably start reading it in a couple weeks.Ken Miller was on the Colbert Report last night (June 16th). I haven't seen it yet, but I have it TiVo'd.--Percy

Click here to download file of the Ken Miller interview on Colbert Report.Added by edit.If you're interested, here are a series of youtube vids of Ken Miller's lecture on evolution and intelligent design. The 7th one is particularly interesting because he talks about why intelligent design/creationism shouldn't be taught in the classroom.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Thanks for providing links to these videos, Taz. Miller is an outstanding explainer!Alas, 7-9 are now no longer available. Can anyone provide up-to-date links for these?

I find it interesting that Miller is a theist. It's great though. Good to have him on the side of those of us who recognize evolution, and see the flaws in ID.

Just curious if you have finished Dr. Miller's book?

I haven't started it yet, it's next on my list. I'm still in the middle of Your Inner Fish, things have been busy lately and it's going slow.--Percy

I actually learned something by listening to a couple of those You Tube snippets. I learned that humans never evolved from apes, chimps, or gorillas. We DO share a common ancestry. This makes a lot of practical sense, as it does not come into conflict with religion.I also don't insist within my context of Belief that the Bible has to be interpreted (or parroted off of other interpretations) in a strictly literal fashion.GOD is certainly clever enough to make us have to think about our beliefs as a precondition for worthiness (or readiness) to receive his Grace.

...will post as I come across items of interest.--Percy

You didn't know that is what is taught until you watched that YouTube video??? Isn't that really common knowledge?

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Phat, this is an honest question: how could you not have known that this was true? You've been a member of this site for years!Have you never seen it posted before?ABE: ninja'dEdited by Larni, : Ninja'd by Nem.

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Jesus Saves! The rest of the party take full damage.

I was never that interested in evolutionary science. I only knew that so-called creation science lacked credibility. In my two or three years here, I mainly debated one or two folks concerning religious ideas...I rarely strayed into the science side of the board except for Cavediver or Son Goku as they explained cosmology....one of the few areas I had any interest in. To use a quote from "Inherit The Wind", I am more interested in the Rock Of Ages than I am in the age of rocks!

I keep finding more interesting reading material, and so my progress through this book has been very slow. Now about a quarter way through, based just upon what I've read so far I'd have to say this book is not well conceived in the way it presents its argument. Miller initially states his intention to examine the ideas of intelligent design from the IDist perspective so as to portray them in the best and most positive light, but he fails in the implementation because wherever the ideas begin to sound too convincing he steps in with the evolutionist response.It would have been more powerful, I think, had he used his gifts of scientific insight and clarity of expression to present in one or a few chapters the ideas of intelligent design in all their power and glory, unadulterated by any evolutionist criticism. He could then have followed it up with chapters dismantling it.I'm going to finish the book, or at least I intend to. Because Miller is a gifted and active research biologist, he presents information and perspectives that often don't filter down to us hoi polloi here on Internet discussion boards, and its valuable for that reason alone.--Percy

I read this book and it is extremely good.

And herein we see Miller caught in his lies, or he is shown to be deluded or deceived.Miller's new book explicitly presupposes ID to have been produced by unguided evolution. Intelligence and Design are terms used to describe the paradigm that Darwinism says is false. By presupposing ID to be an effect of evolution Miller is reacting to the success of the current ID movement. His book assumes his audience is stupid about the main claims of evolution in regards to God (ID does not exist in nature) while he asserts said attributes to have been produced by evolution. Miller's new book is attempted proselytization by deception. Standard stuff for evolutionists.RayEdited by Cold Foreign Object, : minor text changes

Very objective criticism (and I agree). Miller's book is dull. Said criticism complements my previous message upthread.RayEdited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.