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Author Topic:   Why is the President Lying ... again?
coffee_addict
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Message 3 of 103 (147133)
10-04-2004 4:45 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by arachnophilia
10-04-2004 3:43 AM


In Kerry's own words, "But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons."
In this context, "global test" means a universal test where "your people understand fully... and you can prove to the world...."
I may not have the vast world experience as Mr. Bush, but even I can understand that Kerry did not mean it to say what the president has been screaming on television:
quote:
That America has to pass a global test before we can use troops to defend ourselves. Senator Kerry's approach to foreign policy would give foreign governments veto power over national security decisions I have a different view. When our country is in danger, the President's job is not to take an international poll. The President's job is to defend America.
This is by far the worst quote mining I have ever seen.
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Sometimes I wonder if the Bush supporters like whatever actually pays attention to what Bush is saying rather than what he claims to be: (1) religious, (2) conservative, (3) a bigot, and (4) a republican.
I'm a Kerry supporter and there are some things that I criticize him for. For example, when Kerry was asked to give an outline of his plan and a time line, Kerry tried to dodge the question by refering to what Bush is doing rather than what he (Kerry) plans to do. Furthermore, he failed to give any kind of timeline as was asked.
I think the only reason why Bush didn't pursue this is because he knows that he's already doing such a bad job already. It's like they're blackmailing each other.
If you want to be wise, don't follow CHRIS PORTEUS jr's definition as "a hard laborer that perhaps lacks education and only has a few simplistic beliefs but does not question those beliefs is wise." Question those that you support. If they make a mistake or are being dishonest, make a note of it. Don't blindly follow everything they say. The only way you can know what you are going to get is to note down the things you agree with as well as the things you don't agree with and then weigh them. Don't just blindly follow anyone that claims to be (1) religious, (2) conservative, (3) a bigot, and (4) a republican even though he is clearly a liar and a hypocrit.
This message has been edited by Lam, 10-04-2004 04:03 AM

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coffee_addict
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Message 7 of 103 (147164)
10-04-2004 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by RAZD
10-04-2004 10:48 AM


Re: Christian followers -- please answer: how can you back a known liar
Well, I'm still convinced that there are people that would vote for anyone that claims to be the 4 things I stated above, regardless if he's a man or monkey.

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coffee_addict
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Message 10 of 103 (147171)
10-04-2004 11:51 AM


Is it me or whatever seems to not able to read and comprehend what he's just read?

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Message 20 of 103 (147216)
10-04-2004 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Coragyps
10-04-2004 3:53 PM


Sometimes I wonder why it doesn't bother the right-wingers when they lie. Isn't it one of the 10 commandments? Why do the feel the need to lie to support something which they claim to be so precious? In fact, why do they need to hate when they claim that Jesus's message is all about love?

For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!
Why? Bush is a right wing nutcase.

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coffee_addict
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Message 33 of 103 (147249)
10-04-2004 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by creationistal
10-04-2004 4:46 PM


Re: Reading abilities
The problem with whatever is he is unable to focus on any one particular topic in any kind of coherent conversation. He sounds more like a child. If you go back and read the other thread and this thread, this is the format you will see.
Whatever: claims point A.
Person 1: refutes point A.
Whatever: claims point B.
Person 2: refutes point B.
Whatever: claims point C.
Person 3: refutes point C.
Person 4: claims point D.
Whatever: instead of trying stay on topic with point D, claims point E.
This is the attitude of a child. Always trying to change the subject rather than have a coherent conversation on any one point. When any one of his claims is questioned, he immediately goes on to make another claim. Instead of answering to whoever that questioned him about the previous topic, he just ignores him and goes on to something else.
It's not the pro-Bush side that I am criticizing for now. It is the way he is debating with people. Jumping from topic to topic is annoying, to say the least, and it is definitely not debating in good faith.

For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!
Why? Bush is a right wing nutcase.

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coffee_addict
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Message 39 of 103 (147399)
10-05-2004 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by arachnophilia
10-05-2004 12:36 AM


Arachnophilia writes:
but in fairness, i remember screaming at bush on the television at least once "ANSWER THE F'ING QUESTION!" one of his dodges in particular was spectacular: he was asked about afghanistan, and responded by thanking lehrer, the press, etc, and then talking about iraq.
Hahaha. The reason I let that go was because everybody dodges whenever a question is asked that is hard to answer. For example, I watched Larry King a while back when he was talking with Dean. This was after Dean gave his support to Kerry. King asked Dean why he was supporting Kerry now on the issue of Iraq even though he was criticizing Kerry so much just a month before. Well, I must say that I admire Mister Dean for such a well trained skill to dodge a question in a way that you won't know he's dodging it until about 10 minutes after he ended answering the question. I wish I could do that.
Anyway, everybody dodges questions they can't answer. This is why I am more critical of the candidate I support regarding the dodging. You could say I have higher expectation on the candidate that I support than the candidate that I don't support.
This is something that the Bush supporters seem to lack, I think. They don't seem to question him. Remember that you have to sign an agreement to support Mister Bush all the way if you want to attend one of his campaign speech rallies. Since Bush has been doing it for a while, lo and behold the net result is whatever!

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coffee_addict
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Message 98 of 103 (148248)
10-08-2004 2:50 AM


I know this is off-topic, but I just found something very interesting that I must share. You can view Bush's notes during the debates here.

  
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