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Author Topic:   Why is the President Lying ... again?
creationistal
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Message 17 of 103 (147207)
10-04-2004 3:30 PM


Lies?
The president is also claiming that Kerry saw the same evidence that he saw on the threat that Saddam posed. This too is a lie, as it now transpires that the whitehouse kept information from the security counil members of the senate AND the senate in general that countered the evidence for going to war: they suppressed evidence that showed the sanctions were working in order to go to war.
So uh, do you have evidence that they kept information from these people or what? By law, the Senate subcommitee on Intelligence receives the same intelligence that the president does.
-Justin

  
creationistal
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Message 19 of 103 (147215)
10-04-2004 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Coragyps
10-04-2004 3:53 PM


Well, the link you provided doesn't, in fact, give an example of said mailing, so we are taking the author's word for it. Given his, uh, slant, I'd say take it with a grain of salt until you read for yourself the mailer.
-Justin

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creationistal
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Message 21 of 103 (147217)
10-04-2004 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by coffee_addict
10-04-2004 3:59 PM


quote:
Sometimes I wonder why it doesn't bother the right-wingers when they lie. Isn't it one of the 10 commandments? Why do the feel the need to lie to support something which they claim to be so precious? In fact, why do they need to hate when they claim that Jesus's message is all about love?
I often wonder the same things about left-wingers.
-Justin

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creationistal
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Message 23 of 103 (147227)
10-04-2004 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Minnemooseus
10-04-2004 4:35 PM


Re: Reading abilities
Basically I got this out of Whatever's post:
He's anti-communism, that's good.
Anti-UN as it pertains to Israel, that's good, since they are extremely biased and unfair to the nation.
Anti-Kerry because he's not consistent, and that's good, because who wants an unconsistent leader?
What's wrong with that, exactly, and how is it "irrational"?
-Justin

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creationistal
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Message 25 of 103 (147229)
10-04-2004 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by crashfrog
10-04-2004 4:50 PM


On the way down to where, exactly? I'll be sure to have fun, I always try to.
Of course, all your comments are irrelevant as it concerns to being on the "wrong path", as it would appear to be a matter of opinion. :b
Why do you feel the path your on is the wrong one?
Reasonable people, on the other hand, know that a good leader revises conclusions in the light of additional data.
Sort of like Clinton getting the additional data showing he got caught lying, so he revised his conclusions on whether or not he had sexual contact with a certain intern, no?
Granted, not exactly a parallel, but funny nonetheless.
-Justin
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creationistal
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Message 27 of 103 (147233)
10-04-2004 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Chiroptera
10-04-2004 5:04 PM


Re: Reading abilities
You mean the validity of my statements regarding the content of his post? Well, that's pretty much what he said, so, if you want to debate what he meant by what he said, we can get to the bottom of it very quickly, since we can just ask him. Then again, you could *USE COMMON SENSE* and understand what he was saying. :b
As to the verbosity of your post, well, less is more sometimes, ya know? :b
You *do* realize that communism is not exactly a utopia, and has manifested itself several times in very bad ways, right?
-Justin

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creationistal
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Message 30 of 103 (147239)
10-04-2004 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by crashfrog
10-04-2004 5:11 PM


Do you believe that, if the actions of the President had made things worse in America and the world, that it would be possible to ascertain those effects? Or do you believe that there's no objective way to determine if things are worse or better?
Thus, I asked why you thought things were worse, so we could ascertain some effects and see if they are as bad as you believe. What's bad for one, might not be bad for one somewhere else, and what's bad for one might just not be true at all, either.
terrorism is getting worse
When did we get hit again? I must have missed it. If you're talking about Iraqi terrorism, I'll give you that one. We are, in fact, in their country, fighting terrorists bent on destroying our army. There happen to be some people who don't like our ideas of free societies. They are called fanatical Muslims.
the economy hasn't recovered
According to what data?
more Americans than ever lack sufficient wages to meet their needs
According to what data?
our national security is compromised by a vast troop committment to an irrelevant war
According to what data? Is this the terrorist attack that hit us that I missed again? I really should watch the news more.
the government has turned billions in surplus into billions in debt
I happily concur that government spending is out of control, and has been for a long time. Then again, Kerry's current plan outspends Bush, so I don't see how that solves your problem, mi amigo.
the tax burden has been shifted from the rich to the middle class and the poor
According to what data? As I recall, they just made the tax cuts permanent. If I'm not mistaken, tax cuts mean you pay less taxes, dollar-wise. If you want to talk about rich vs. poor in America, I'd be glad to. (I'm reading Bork right now, interesting stuff on class warfare)
government transparency and accountability is the least its ever been
In one sense, I'm damned glad. I'd rather not know of every single time we get a threat from some terrorist or another, etc. Other than national security issues which we usually don't know about anyway, what are you talking about specifically?
the IRS is focused more on auditing people like you and me than in uncovering corporate tax cheats
So Enron and Tyco and Martha Stewart and all that jazz really was about you and me, and not the biggest bust of corporate scandal in years and years?
which cost the government billions every year.
The horribly inept tax code and beaurocracy itself costs the government billions and billions. Thank goodness Bush wants to reform the tax code.
-Justin

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