Gorilla strength

Often when you browse the net for information about Gorillas or check books about them, you will find differing ideas on how strong they are. I's probably true that there has been no study undertaken to determine their strength, but yet different sources have different estimates. A Gorilla book that I have at home says that they are 4-8 times stronger than the average man. The "Animal face off" show said that scientist estimate that the strength of a 400 pound Silverback Gorilla is 20 times our own (I think this is a more accurate estimate). Nigel Marvin, the zoologist who starred in the "Chased by Dinosaurs" and "chased by Sea Monsters" documentaries (among many others about modern day animals) stated that they where 5 times stronger than a human. The show "The Most Extreme" on animal planet did a show about the 10 strongest animals in the world, and it stated (and illustrated using computer graphics) that if a human where as strong as a Gorilla, he or she would be able to lift 4,600 pounds above his head, about the weight of 2 cars. Though that show had errors (Tigers where placed higher in the category than Brown Bears, yet in reality Bears are pound for pound stronger than Big cats, depending on amount of body fat) the claim that Gorillas can lift well over two tons above their head was demonstrated in a children's book that I found in a Library, and it seemed to hint that Gorillas have the strength of 8 heavyweight olympic weight lifters!What I would like to talk about or debate, is how strong a Gorilla really is. Does anybody have a clue? Does anybody know some of the great feats of strength that they have ben known to do? And could they fight off an African Lion using brute force?

anybody?

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

I'd doubt that, Though some of the wrestlers on WWE could come close to being as stout as a Gorilla! (7 feet tall 500 pound "Big Show", 7 feet 3, 420 pound "The Great Khali", 6 feet 1, 380 pound "Mark Henry", and the late 6 foot 10, 550 pound "Andre the Giant")This message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 04-26-2006 03:40 PM

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

And of course It is also quite possible for An American or asian Blackbear of the same size as a Gorilla to be stronger than the Gorilla. Bears are after all far stronger than canines or cats.This message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 04-26-2006 07:41 PM

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

It also makes me wonder about the idea that Gorillas can lift nearly 5,000 pounds above their head. Even if they where strong enough to do so, do they have the proper body mechanics to do so?

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Hey Razd. Thanks for the links

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Im also curious as to which animal would be stronger:A 400 pound silverback Gorilla or a 400 pound American Blackbear. I love bears (One of my favorite animals) and have studied a bunch on them. They are stronger than cats weight for weight, have intelligence almost on par with prmiates, and in other ways quite facinating.I've asked an engineer and a person who claimed to be a zoologist if the Bear would be stronger than the Gorilla, and they agreed. Still, it would be quite facinating to discuss.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Thanks dude It will be hard to find such info (comparative gorilla and Bear Anatomy) let alone use the higher math (I dont do well with math ) But i'll see what I can come up with at a later time.Thanks once again for the info

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

BTW: you seem like you have several degrees in a hard science of sorts. Are you an engineer or a physicist? if your into some sort of science, I have a forum on the "Nephilim Giants" in the great debate forum, and one thing we are looking at is to see if a race of giant humans could in theory exist. We could use your expertise

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Here is a website that discusses Bears, including the fact that they are stronger than other carnivores (though sadly does not compare their power to a Gorilla )http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761572258/Bear.htmlyou'll have to go through some pages of the same article to get the info.This site seems to show that Bears are stronger than any animal of the same mass (Gorillas are about the same size as some bears)Page not found – Bowhunting.Net

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Hey there welcome to dah forum.You posted so many times that it will take me a while to respond.first, Leopards do not kill fully adult male silverback Gorillas (360-500 lbs range). I've heared of females and babies and younger Gorillas being killed, but i've never seen proof of a Male silverback Gorilla being killed by a leopard. Is there a reputable source that confirms this?Your book "Carnivores" which makes the claim that cats have the greatest "explosive strength" of any carnivore is probably talking about power, which is often confused with strength. Power is in laments terms strength and speed combined to create extra force. Cats have incredible strength and atonishing speed, and combined they can muster extreme power (extra amount of force)But Cats are not as Strong as bears. Unlike cats, the muscles of bears are thick throuhgout the entire forelimb (unlike dogs and cats), and they walked plantigrade (flatfooted) on their back feet and semi-plantigrade on the fore feet, both of which inhibit speed. They have massive limbs, short backs, and heavy, massive paws. Cats cannot compare in strength to bears (see "Bears" by Ian Sterling, pages 50-52.The article is written by Blaire Van Valkenburgh, whose expertise is written on page 236)I'll post more later.Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

True, tigers have been known to kill brown bears in asia. But it is mostly cubs or bears that are denning for winter. There was a incident where a tiger (400 lbs) mastered the art of bear hunting, and took down a 800 lbs bear (8 it bagged in all) but it was jumping from behind to bite the neck, not overpowering them, which would be impossible. Indeed, one bear resisted and fought back, and lost miserably during the sturggle, but as for the size, sex, age and health of that particular bear, there is as far as I know no documentation (The book "The last big cats" i believe has this story)As for the "korean pit fights": I've seen one video of such a fight on the internet, though there is no background info on both animals and their health, and I wouldn't make a biology or comparative morphology lesson on it, considering it was a North Korean video and quite mysterious. And of course there is also the odd incident in Mexico where one of the last California Grizzlies was pinned with an african lion, and the Grizzly killed it in a flash ( "The Grizzly Almanac" by Robert H. Busch, page 109)Now a cat that comes awfully close to the strength of a bear the same size as it'self is the Jaguar (my favorite big cat )Their the most robust form of modern cat, in relative terms more powerfully built than lions or tigers. And in a fight, I would think that even a 400 lbs Black bear might be found wanting

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

This site you quoted is interesting, but flawed. A Small Jaguar of the same weight as a Leopard would be stronger (they are more robust in build than leopards)and since bears are stronger than cats, the malayan sun bear (60-145 lbs range) would be stronger than both. Though probably not by a whole lot when considering the muscle-bound Jaguar LOL! I skimmed your web source a while back, but I didn't see any credentials of the author of the text, nor if it said if he was an expert on cats or comparative bear-cat anatomy.I'll see if I can come up with some info about the author of that internet text.Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Having said all the above, African lions are capable of killing even vast Grizzlies, and it involves a kind of trickery.I saw on a nature documentary an African lion circling around a warthog. It was almost like a dance, and the Lion was circling to get to an opening to strike the hog from behind. It was too dangerous to confront face to face (their tucks can easily cut through lion flesh). Then an opening came about and the Lion pounced on the hogs back, biting the neck. Coup de grace.A African male Lion might do the same thing even to a 1760 lbs brown bear, though it is not known for sure if the Lion would succeed in doing so.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Dont have much time...1. Blackbears are definitely far stronger than lions or tigers of the same weight, as themsnencarta source i posted a link to in an ealier post showed (and I quote, "Bears are far stronger than other carnivores")2. A lion would not own a Gorilla. A 530 lbs male lion vs a 400 or possibly 500 lbs Gorilla would not be quick. The Gorilla could indeed possibly rip apart the lion's jaw. I think the Gorilla would win, though it could really go either way.3. I doubt that the lions dominated Grizzlies. Unless they did the circle trick, the bears would smash them. You didn't post a source.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4