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bcw3
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Message 14 of 287 (314210)
05-21-2006 7:58 PM


sure bears are stronger than cats, but the fact of the matter is that at equal weights a cat will own a bear
also an african lion will destroy a gorrilla. Leopards kill gorrillas so if a leopard can kill a gorrillz then a male lion will destroy a gorrilla

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Message 15 of 287 (314212)
05-21-2006 8:00 PM
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05-21-2006 7:58 PM


also
in korea they pitted african lions and black bears, and the lions won most of the times
sure grizzlies are much stronger than all big cats, but a lion and tiger will be almost as strong at equal weights as a black bear

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Message 16 of 287 (314213)
05-21-2006 8:05 PM
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05-21-2006 8:00 PM


Re: also
also i have a book called carnivores of the world that claim that cats are the have the most explosive strength of any other carnivore
but ur right a grizzly is stronger than any lion or tiger, but a black bear will be equal in strength with a lion or tiger
also 8 percent of a tigers diet according to steven mills a tiger researcher is bears, so that proves tigers kill and eat bears
also remerber the korenans how pitted lions and black bears, lol the black bears strength didnt help it their, the lions just simply owned the bears

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Message 17 of 287 (314215)
05-21-2006 8:15 PM
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05-21-2006 8:05 PM


Re: also
http://www.findarticles.com/..._qa3775/is_200412/ai_n9469847
that site claims cats are the strongest animals for their size
ok this site claims that for their size cats are the strongest carnivores

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Message 22 of 287 (315932)
05-29-2006 10:31 AM
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05-23-2006 5:51 PM


Re: Lions could kill bears though....
also i never said a grizzly isnt stronger than a lion lb for lb
i just said that at equal weights a black bear would be ONLY ALLITTLE STRONGER THAN A LION
also tigers unlike lions are more cautios animals which means a tiger is much less likely to charge straight at a bear, where as an aggressive lion will just charge at it and probally get killed
also leopards dont usually prey on silverbacks, however a male lion would own a silverback
also regarding those korean pit fights, the placed lions with tigers, and the lions dominated the tigers, then they used lions and grizzlies and the lion suppossedly dominated the grizzlies

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bcw3
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Message 23 of 287 (315933)
05-29-2006 10:32 AM
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05-29-2006 10:31 AM


Re: Lions could kill bears though....
ALSO LIONS HAVE THE STRONGEST PAW SWIPE OF ANY BIG CAT

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bcw3
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Message 24 of 287 (315937)
05-29-2006 10:35 AM
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05-29-2006 10:32 AM


Re: Lions could kill bears though....
ALSO LIONS ARE DEFINATELY MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN ANY BEAR, READ THE BOOK THE HUNTER WITH THE MOON, A MALE LION CHARGED INTO A CLAN OF 21 HYENAS, AND THE MALE LION KILLED 10 HYENAS BEFORE DIEING, NOW THATS IMPRESSIVE

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bcw3
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Message 27 of 287 (316896)
06-01-2006 6:07 PM
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05-30-2006 4:17 PM


Re: Black Bears
um no i posted sources that claim that cats are stronger, also grizzlies being the strongest propotionatly strongest bear, is stronger than any cat, but black bears being the weakest lb for lb BEAR , IS only allittle stronger than a lion, also you think a gorrilla would win lol, first of all gorrillas rarely reach 500lbs its extremely rare, as yes a 500lb lion is rare but certaintly more common than a gorrilla, anyway the male lion would win
also in the wild the bear would definately flee from a lion, male lions are insanely aggressive more aggressive than any bear, also the book england mengerie circuses, has a chapter about a a staged animal fight, during the 19th century, in which a 500lb lion fought a 850lb grizzly, the book describes the lion as being bolder and more aggressive, and inflicting horrific damage on the bear, until eventually, the lion made a wrong move, and was killed, however the bear died of his injuries. So knowing that, i would say that a black bear has no chance, if a 500lb lion can kill a 850lb grizzly, than a 500lb black bear is definately screwed

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bcw3
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Message 28 of 287 (316898)
06-01-2006 6:08 PM
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06-01-2006 6:07 PM


Re: Black Bears
and also i posted a link and a book that claimed that cats are the strongest carnivores

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bcw3
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Message 29 of 287 (316899)
06-01-2006 6:10 PM
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06-01-2006 6:08 PM


Re: Black Bears
also these calfornia grizzlies that killed the lions, were huge old wild west grizzlies, and i can post many sources claiming this, these bears were 1000- 1200 on average and a large one can weigh a tonne, they are exctinct no because of the american settlers during the gold rush, so obviously a 1200lb grizzly would own any lion, but at equal or almost similiar weights, the lion would destroy the bear.

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bcw3
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Message 34 of 287 (319160)
06-08-2006 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by LudoRephaim
06-05-2006 9:59 AM


Re: lion paw swipe.
first of lions average 420lbs and delta lions average 480lbs considering the fact that in the documentry lions and buffalo relentless enemies, the narrator claims that a delta lioness weighs 360lbs on average, and since males are 40-50percent larger than a female a male lion would be in the delta 480-520
also here
Lion - Wikipedia
males average 420
and here lions average 330lbs to 550lbs
http://library.thinkquest.org/11922/cats/lion.htm
and here male lion averages 330-530 pounds, http://users.netropolis.net/nahury1/lion.htm

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bcw3
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Message 35 of 287 (319161)
06-08-2006 3:33 PM
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06-08-2006 3:31 PM


Re: lion paw swipe.
here it is lions have a stronger paw swipe than a tiger
The tiger has a longer body, and is usually more powerful in the back legs, having evolved this way for great speed and unmatched leaping power. The lion evolved primarily for fighting, with a larger head and more power in the forequarters. Paradoxically this has made him a poor predator
Interspecies conflict. Which animal is the ultimate carnivore?

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bcw3
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Message 36 of 287 (319164)
06-08-2006 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by bcw3
06-08-2006 3:33 PM


Re: lion paw swipe.
oh yeah ur wrong calfornia grizzlies do average 900-1200lbs and a large one can weigh a tonne look
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"THE grizzly bear is a lordly animal. An ordinary-sized one will weigh from nine hundred to twelve hundred pounds, a large one a ton."
so i agree with you that a 900-1200 grizzly will beat a lion or tiger, im just saying that at equal weights, a lion or tiger will beat a grizzly

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bcw3
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Message 37 of 287 (319165)
06-08-2006 3:39 PM
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06-08-2006 3:36 PM


Re: lion paw swipe.
also read hunter with the moon, it says on page 63 lions in the okvango delta region weigh 460-528lbs with an average weight of 483lbs so ur under 400lbs weight is wrong

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bcw3
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Message 38 of 287 (319167)
06-08-2006 3:41 PM
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06-08-2006 3:39 PM


Re: lion paw swipe.
heres info on delta lions
The great lions of the Tsaro pride are larger, more fearsome and more innovative than your typical lion. These enormous lions have thick necks and heavy chests built to wade through water and hunt places big cats normally avoid. Trapped on an island with these giant killers are thousands of buffalo who are forced to devise defensive tactics and eventually learn to fight back. See the battle unfold from a unique perspective as National Geographic Channel tracks the movements from the air and up close.
National Geographic TV Shows, Specials & Documentaries

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