Gorilla strength

Finally some people here which have a normal mind and respect animals.
The two people which have posted animals are dumb are self dumb idiots. Animals are not dumb at all. I have seen a bird of prey using the prey of fishes flying over the river drop it and when the fish comes out it gets the fish. Thats not dumb. and also aslistened before most animals consider if they can win a fight and if they are losing they runaway. There are two martial arts experts here which totally agree that human can never come close in a fight to real large wild animals. Thats true. Stop pushing actually we are the stupid species as we destroy our own environment. I know the story of the bull and yes its true but that doesn’t work out at every animal. At bulls its easy when you are a professional fighter to hit them at the head and meet the vulnerable part. However its a lot harder with a gorilla who fights back ,using its powerful arms. Like it was posted before no boxer could compete with it if he has a normal sense.
Have you ever seen fighting gorillas each other how aggressive they are? Dude one punsh and it breaks you every bone or kills you if a hard punsh at your head. Have you ever seen the powerful arms. There is noway like said before that a gorilla or a grizzly bear isn’t to much for any of the world strongest man or martial arts fighter. I have seen a documentary of shaloins which keep tiger. They said if the tiger gets angry he wouldn’t stand any chance and these guys are considered as the best martial arts fighters in the world. At least one of the best. The guy was right which said you are retarded if you believe that a mortal individium can bet animals of tramandous size unless they are trained and go along with you. Gorillas,Bears,Rhinos,Elephants come on guys get back to reality.The respect you give to human and there abilities takes the sense to reality of some people. How old are some people who right that you believe in fairy tales you can tell little children??? Of the hero which beats every beast.
Like said the guy who knocked out bulls would get killed in seconds if he would take at grizzly bears or rhinos. There is a reason why this can work out at bulls but not with lions,tiger,bears,rhinos. A tiger attacks totally other than a bull he jumps in the air and boounces at you where you have no ability to defend and hardly get a martial kick.Biside that he breaks you everything when it bounces at you like it occurs at there prey in the wilderness. Same with bears they are not so easily to fight to. And as for this guy Gene Lebell I know him and he gets my highest respect. But Deus Ajudu that was a black bear which was not as that big weighting perhaps 250 or 300 pounds. And it was probably a trained bear too otherwise they would have never got him there if it wouldn’t have been a wild bear. I know he beat him which was very respective. But you can’t compare a bear of this size to a 1000 or 1500 pound wild grizzly bear. I have seen such fights already at TV too it are all trained bears which even don’t want to fight stop as they have no fun to do it,let to do with themselve and wherent aggressive. Lebell talked about it a lot and it was made to media and show too. Still impressive but not such a big deal with a "non fighting" bear which leads to other impressions of things being possible at people The other thing of action when wild bears attack mostly it are also smaller bears although if bigger ones yeah you are teached to defend yourselve and it can happen that bear quiets and runs away but its kind of self defense hitting him,or kick with feet when you lay at the flour but you can never get down an attacking wild 1000 pound bear with a headscissor or anything like that. Come back to reality. although the bull fighter which did it for his whole life doesn’t mean that it couldn’t come the day he didn’t exceed and would have died through the animal.
By the way I am also a wrestling fan and somebody mentioned already the Great Khali. 7ft3inch 408 pounds, a really powerhouse, also fighting expert but there where also such stories some people believed comparable to these ones. He said he snacked at tiger after killed them with his own hands and fans started to believe it really.

Jake don’t be so ignorant a gorilla is at that much stronger as the average man. Don’t be "more intelligent" as experts. You can’t know it better. Don’t be sooooo arrogant and say you could beat a gorilla as an average human especial. And by the way subdue is not the same as submit.

Don’t be so arrogant

No they aren’t be relistic. Although I am a wrestling fan and these guys ar epretty tough they are never nearly as strong as a silverback

Difficult to say with the strength. But to a part its surely true.
Like you said a tiger doesn’t have the swatting power of a bear and a bear not the jumping power of a tiger. Although a tiger is stronger than every man it doesn’t have the lifting power of weightlifter clear as they legs are not adobted for this.However I even heard at a documentary that a tiger(male) is 20 times as strong as an average man. It is probably measured of the generally body strength. Not of one or two divisions of power but at generally.
There are some relistic backgrounds about it. Like one time it was said that a tiger i don’t knowmore how far but a very long distance was capable bulling a full grown horse which would require a human compared lifting a horse at your back over a wall. and at another case a tiger killing a very large prey a bull or a cow and tragged it away for miles. An attempt made by human doing it with similiar large animals 13 men where not able to do the same thing. so you can relie that tiger are extrememly strong. so out of some divisions it would make the power strength mentioned.Not to mention that 12 or 15 men wouldn’t be able to beat a tiger(unless a trained tiger which doesn’t really fight agrressive) in a fight till the end if the tiger really likes to fight and win.But sure the strength thing you always have to refer to where the strength regards to.

Yes thats true that it isn’t stronger in every discipline. But its an unappropriated example with the lifting abilities as the whole body shape like the legs of the tiger are not right build for this. Is the body shape not so the legs can’t have the abilities either.You can’t compare two different creatures its simple comparing different things. So don’t say a lion or a tiger isn’t stronger as a human generally. That you will see if you lean against it and you both start pushing against eachother requiring that the lion or tiger wants to fight seriously. I hope you don’t believe than you would win.
Because I don’t want to start the discussions which could emerge through this issue if a human could beat a WILD AGRESSIVE tiger WILLING to fight and win not like the show fights with the trained bears and cats. Because I want to talk about stuff here which is for adult people. And thisone issue isn’t for adult people with a normal sense.Randomly I have seen a video today where a lion in captivity attacks his owner and three other people wheren’t able to realize him when they tried to pull him away the lion pulled them with and realized him a couple seconds later by itself. Than I have seen a video where a lion defends and jumps a hunter dude it was so wild and aggressive it shows you don’t stand any chance when a wildone attacks you, runs at you and jumps in high hills to you. Not like the fights with the trained tigers the Shamis and other martial arts profis did with bears. so if the tiger or lion wouldn’t be stronger i think it wouldn’t be so easy for him to bring down the humans with one move,pulling them away easily and even succeed when playing with there owner to hold them down.Its true that they can’t lift weight but how??? As there body is not in the right shape for this. And like said they are stronger when it comes to pull animals like horses away and would kill you in a fight.
They are not all disciplines stronger as there body isn’t build for this. So therefore its also not correct to say they aren’t stronger as human. If you mess with them you will see and do you think it would help you that they aren’t as able of weight lifting like us?
Do you think that will matter than?And I hope you aren’t one of the attendants here which consider seriously a human staying a chance in a serious fight against a wild tiger attacking violently and serious(jumping at you,hit with its paws).

Good Earendil I am glad that you don’t want to get into the fight things. Again the statements you make so far are true.But i mentioned also already that a tiger can’t lift as much weight like a human. I know what you wanted to say.You say it now a humand body is not appropriated for dragging heavy things. A tigers body shape is not appropriated for liftings. You see its a discussions which hardly comes to a result.
What is also sure when it comes to swatting force a tiger has much more as a human. Maybe thats also included in their charges with the tiger 12 -15 x stronger than man as when they would fight and the tiger attacks the human brings him down as its force in this decision is much more as the human ones. Including maybe with such things the conclusion of the tiger 12 -15x stronger as man. I think you should ask one of them personally how they charge it.
We're talking about strength. Not fighting -hmmh true but that comes to an interesting question of mine. If that meanings are so different anyway and not to say the tiger isn’t stronger why the tiger than will win the fight? If it isn’t stronger. That i would like to know. Why when tiger even playing with their owners push them down easiyl thw owner has no chance to come up if the tiger doesn’t want?
But you made a good point as in the earlier posts the power and lifting comparison of Gorillas,weightlifer and normal human was discussed and already said you can’t say more power generally. Than I want to say now it isn’t to say either after the conclusions a tiger 12x stronger than average man and so just 2x times stronger than the World Strongest Man. Because from the whole body and whole force the world strongest men also aren’t 5 or 6x stronger as the average men. They are that stronger in there divisions thats clear and would kick any normal mans ass. But not from the body generall either its about there training.
You see towards to many issues but no solutions. Like i said it would be better you contact one of the people at this site you read this and ask them how they conclude.

Probably true that it is already included. And yes so often indicated to it its probably so that they meaned through this that a tiger dragged a gaur what 13 men wheren’t able to do. And its probably also the tiger forequarters being that strong allowing it to drag prey so far and therefore like you said superior in a fight. And right doesn’t make an overall times strenght but still an exteme afford and very powerful cat.That with the lifting is impossible for a tiger as it doesn’t stand for a long time at his two legs like us human and at four legs its DIFFICULT. And if it would stand all the time at two legs like us its still the shape of the hands which doesn’t make it possible to lift something. But we wouldn’t know what a tiger would be able to lift is the hands also would be shaped like ours with the same possibility of movement and if it would walk upward. And so you may not forget the tiger has just its mouth where it is able to lift something up and hold its clear that it can’t be succesful so.
Think about if you go down at your knees don’t use your arms and want to lift something with your mout you will also not be able to lift the same weight as you lift with your hands when you are up.
Yeah I know accept some people which trained for years have shown doing it carry things with the mouth even being down and stand up. But also not the same weight like weightlifter normal do.
Like you said for some divisions our body is not shaped for someothers the tigers but what i said now with lifting by mouth is true.
so you are not a scientist but you seem to be interested and like animals as you posted a lion picture at your profile and said its important to solve the question why the tiger is endangered.

There we aren’t so different because I also think compare human and animal fight ability childish and unreal. It just because it was brought up so often before and i thought.... I didn’t bring it up but i know than i also shouldn’t continue to talk about it. At least you are normal and agree with like all the people before that the thinking of this guy brought up the issue takes childish subjects and have to return to reality.
But with the being endangered of the tiger. I agree with it to a part and i know about of course but i don’t think this is the main reason. And also not the only reason. But for sure a big reason. hmmh but a lot of other reasons too which are i believe more significant.
Still not to forget there are big cats which are even more endangered as the tiger. Should be taken care about them too. The Indian Lion as example went nearly extinct and is now longer to meet in parks but not anymore and wilderness. Like one African Species Lion went extinct already.