Imprecatory song and prayer

Might as well answer yours too.You sound worried, as if you think God really does answer prayers. Well, that's a step in the right direction!Homosexuals are sinners like the rest of us, we aren't to pray against sinners. Gay marriage is on the other hand a great danger to society and a specific affront to God's law, so we should no doubt be praying against this more than we do. We don't pray enough, that's the problem, or we don't pray correctly enough, or we don't see a danger coming and pray against it in time.As I said, before I started a specific imprecatory prayer list I'd want to know God's will in the matter.Certainly we should pray against wickedness in government, but once a law is in place we are not to resist it. That doesn't mean we obey it, though, such as do anything to support gay marriage, or obey any law that opposes God's law, what it means is that we take the punishment the law determines for refusing to support gay marriage or whatever opposes God's law. This is what those Christians who have been targeted have been doing, the bakers, the photographer, the florist who refused to serve gay weddings.My free will is hardly abrogated by knowing God's will. I have the choice to obey or not. But of course I'd want to obey if I know His will. That would be a very wrong conclusion. God doesn't change, what He revealed of His mind and will in the Bible is always His mind and will. Homosexuality is sin and gay marriage is a particular travesty because it twists God's ordinance of marriage that was established in Eden between a man and a woman, which Jesus also affirmed: Their flesh becomes most specifically one flesh in their offspring.Since all this is being overturned in today's America -- and Europe -- it's God's judgment against former Christendom and that is no doubt why He's allowing these offenses to stand. The church probably needs to be judged for many of our sins of omission and commission as well, but in any case we will suffer from this judgment too.

Your standard assertion, but you've never justified it, other than with other bald assertions.Homosexuality has been with us since the start of recorded history, and society has muddled along happily. What is it, specifically, and without bald assertion, that is so dangerous about recognising a gay relationship (which already exist, in great numbers) as marriage ?

Why do you keep confusing homosexuality with gay marriage. The one is a sinful human condition, the other is a legal category supported by the state. God is going to judge a state for such an affront to his law. The nations of the west are under serious judgment already.

So the danger, in your eyes, lies in God judging societies which recognise gay marriage ? There's no other danger you're referring to ?

Depends on what god you ask. What you don't get that your god is not the only one out there. You might as well be angry that daily sacrifices are illegal, the sun god is going to punish the country by not coming up in the morning.but it does not matter what your religion believes societies based on religion dint work, so we invented a new way and america was the pioneer in this we invented separation of church and state. So the laws do not have to be approved by your or any other religion. the laws have to work for the best of all. And segregation ie having to go to special shops to buy cakes, is not something that is fair for all. Sure you might not think its fair to you because you have to sell cakes to gays, but bad day for you move to Africa where they kill gays or imprison them for a lifetime, if you feel that strongly about it no one is going to stop you.Because there is no one forcing you to make cakes here you can sell whatever you want, but if you do sell something everybody is an equal costumer as long as they have the money.

Shouldn't God's enemies be our enemies too?I'm sorry but it looks like you took a newborn thought and smashed it with a hammer. We need to ask God who His enemies are so we can pray to Him about them?What?What are we contributing to this circle?

OK, let's see who gets the most hurricanes.

Hurricanes, sure, but the worst versions of God's judgments are the increase in sin, which of course doesn't bother anybody here in the abstract, which means it's just going to increase further, but it includes the increase in child molestation and acts of violence and murder. You heard about the child porn ring that was busted today? That stuff gets worse, children are victimized more and more. The gradual undermining of society is the end result, which sets us up for being taken over by enemies. Where we're headed looks to me something like vassal state in the new World Order presided over by the Pope, perhaps not openly but effectively. I may not be around to see this, which would only make me violently and chronically sick to my stomach so I'll be happily gone. You may enjoy it for a while. And you certainly aren't going to recognize the cause and effect I've mentioned above, if you even notice the trend at all. Wait and see.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

But there are earthquakes for the west coast, tornadoes for the mid-south, Monsanto for the great plains. You really need to consider all when assessing wrath and retribution.

Yippee! Thanks for the unintentional irony.

Hi Faith,Although we've never had the privilege of interacting, I am a serial lurker here and have read with great interest and amusement very many of your posts. Your ability to wriggle free of the clutching fingers of reality time after time leaves me in awe of you usually, but you just made a statement that has forced me out of lurkdom: One bleeding obvious fact is that a huge child porn ring has been BUSTED...and child abuse has just become a little less in the world, contrary to the point you were trying to make of it getting worse. And all this thanks to secular agencies, not the church.But never mind that.The other point you were trying to make, which horrified me to the core, is that because of gay marriage (You specifically referenced gay marriage) more and more children are going to be subject to child abuse. Please think about the horror of this. Because a gay couple gets married, or a number of gay couples get married, you are saying that God is going to deliberately "Lift His hand of protection" from CHILDREN...and allow them to be, and watch them be, sexually abused. This boggles the mind. As punishment for one group of adults condoning the "Sinful" marriage of a different group of adults...God will allow innocent children to be molested for the sexual gratification of yet another group of adults. This is beyond abhorrent, and typical of the OT version of God punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty.Of course you will make an excuse for this monstrous version of God, and wriggle free of reality once more...Edited by Aussie, : Finally found how to make the cool quote boxes...

So nice to hear from a long-time fan...

I live in Las Vegas, Nevada. I don't know what we've done to earn God's blessing, whether it's the booze, the gambling, or just the prostitution, but I'm sure not gonna screw it up now.

Well Aussie has a good point. It does seem a little harsh on the children God decides are going to be molested, as a result of a political decision they couldn't possibly vote for or against.But the other question that comes to mind is how God is going to achieve this. After all, there are only so many people who want to rape children. Is he going to raise the number of children who actually get raped by using his magic to turn people who don't want to rape children into people who do, abrogating their free will? Or is he going to push the numbers up by sticking out his Divine Leg and tripping up a certain number of children running away from rapists?I suggested hurricanes because conventionally they are held to be the Will Of God. If you think that the number of kids getting raped is also the will of God, and you believe the the efficacy of prayer, then would you ask him out of his great beneficence to reduce the number?

The degeneration of sin is what human nature does when God lets us do as we please. Blaming it on God is just too too easy when it's really YOUR fault. Sin is ugly, and when God leaves us to our sins they get really really ugly indeed.Romans 1 is all about how people and society degenerate when they refuse to obey God. Guess what a major sign of that degeneration is? Homosexuality, hey? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.