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Author Topic:   Do liberal judges favor wealthy developers over regular people?
Silent H
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Message 106 of 109 (262260)
11-22-2005 3:59 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by jar
11-21-2005 12:11 PM


Re: Trying to define subject and responses.
I think the major differences in opinion between you and me fall here...
Sounds right...
I contend that the creation of the Mall was considered by the government to be an industry and that they considered the location of that industry, and the jobs, services and tax base that it would provide were location dependant.
A singular mall in a nation filled with malls, which by their design are made for a system of existing highways... ie mass commuting.... is not an industry and not relevant to an industry.
If you can show me where they logically argued that that mall was key to the mall industry, and without it there in that location the mall industry would be hurt, and people within that region would be unable to get to any other mall, including malls capable of being built in that region, then I'll be satisfied.
Otherwise its like a commitee granting themselves land and money for a park to fly model airplanes, and calling it an airforce base vital to national security or a regional airport which will boost that state's economy.
One mall, man. One mall.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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jar
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Message 107 of 109 (262395)
11-22-2005 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Silent H
11-22-2005 3:59 AM


Re: Trying to define subject and responses.
If you can show me where they logically argued that that mall was key to the mall industry, and without it there in that location the mall industry would be hurt, and people within that region would be unable to get to any other mall, including malls capable of being built in that region, then I'll be satisfied.
What does that have to do with anything?
If you reread what I have posted I doubt that you will find anywhere I refered to the goal of these being related to the welfare of an industry. The purpose of even the Tabacco roads was to server people in a given area, often to the detrement of other parts of the tobacco industry. It provided an advantage to the Maryland planters over those in North Carolina, as an example. It was done to serve local needs, not the needs of the industry.
In the case of Baltimore's Inner Harbour, it was not designed to aid the restuarant industry, the tourism industry, the souvenier industry, but to provide jobs and tax base for the citizens of Baltimore.
In this case the decision was that a mall in the selected location met the needs of the citizens of that area. The case was made at the local level that locating the mall there was in the interest of the citizens of that area.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Silent H
Member (Idle past 5838 days)
Posts: 7405
From: satellite of love
Joined: 12-11-2002


Message 108 of 109 (262444)
11-22-2005 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by jar
11-22-2005 11:53 AM


Re: Trying to define subject and responses.
It provided an advantage to the Maryland planters over those in North Carolina, as an example. It was done to serve local needs, not the needs of the industry.
Whoa whoa whoa, states operate (especially back then) as almost separate nations. Were these roads directed by federal authorities to benefit a local region, or a state to benefit its own industry?
As far as the harbor thing I wish you'd stop bringing it up as even if it was identical to the situation in the SCOTUS it would not address my position at all. I still do not see how you are making a connection, but whether I convince you or you convince me about that harbor it will not change the real argument. And I find that subject boring which makes me not want to dwell on it.
Frankly as I have already said even the tobacco roads would not effect my position, but at least that makes some point about an early usage of a broader concept of use.
In this case the decision was that a mall in the selected location met the needs of the citizens of that area. The case was made at the local level that locating the mall there was in the interest of the citizens of that area.
Meet needs, once again slipping the leash. It could not provide any USE which was not available to that same region and the people of that region, without that specific confiscation. Indeed the last part of the portion you quoted went into that.
It didn't just have to be an entire industry.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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jar
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Message 109 of 109 (262449)
11-22-2005 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Silent H
11-22-2005 1:54 PM


Re: Trying to define subject and responses.
Whatever. I think this has run it's course.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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