Will Saddam end up like Hitler ?

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You will not see the death camps that we run because they are not publicized.

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Sort of like the secret Moon base huh? The one beaming the "vote Republican" beams?

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Or should I say that some of the death camps we run are so huge and highly publicized they go unnoticed. Please explain what's the difference between rounding up people who have had no due process into one camp where you can kill them easily, or killing them where they are (with the same lack of due process) because that's even easier given modern technology? Given that there was no imminent threat from Iraq, that means this war was simply a giant death camp operated by the US.

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Paranoia.

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You do understand we no longer have "due process" if you are merely suspected of being a terrorist...

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Sounds like hearsay.

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You have once again proven your lack of knowledge on what you speak.

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Really? I'm sorry Holmes, but hearing that from you just doesn't carry any bite.

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I think they feel they were repressed by Saddam and the US, now they just have the US to worry about.

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Againing, equating our "brutality" to Saddam.

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Who said I supported what we did to Milosevic?

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You've supported TWO oppressive regimes?

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If we had dedicated as many troops and munitions to that war as we did to Iraq, perhaps things would be done by now.

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Surely you realize that the limit to success in Afghanistan is the quality of intelligence, not the quantity of munitions. Our destructive power against a group like the Taliban is essentially infinite. If we wanted to we could have turned Afghanistan into a parking lot in fifteen minutes. But that would be absolutely unacceptable (killing the whole civilian population) but in all probability we would've gotten bin Laden. We could open up on Afghanistan right now and every village, and we just might get bin Laden, but we would kill hundreds of thousands in the process. And because we are America and not Saddam's Iraq, we just don't do things like that.Instead we have to sit around and wait on information and then carry out surgical strikes. Otherwise we would just be randomly toasting villages.And by the way, you ignored the fact that one of the largest campaigns in the War on Terror was carried out in Afghanistan simultaneous with the opening of the war on Iraq. Clearly the war has not affected our operations in Afghanistan.

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We helped radicalize the general populace to get them to fight against the Soviets.

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That was Afghanistan, not Pakistan where the Taliban originated.

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Uh yeah, and so why didn't we move into Pakistan, instead of Iraq? That would have been the most logical choice, if we were going to attack another

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Uh let's see. Pakistan responds to diplomacy.

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except as a means to allow oil to be exported and Xtian prosyletizers to be imported

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What's wrong with Christian missionaries being allowed into Iraq?

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But this just goes along with my overall analysis of your self-professed "ranting".

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I've been responding to posts from several different people and yours are always the longest and generally make the most extreme claims, with the least support, and so far you are the only one to leave me with ad-hominem attacks. I rant sometimes too but I can afford to respond only to opponents who do not.[This message has been edited by gene90, 05-06-2003]

Since we are carrying out the same argument over two different threads, I am going to stick to the other one. That way we don't have to repeat anything.That said, I want to address something here. While I might have been sarcastic your rebuttal is a little strange. You have not actually refuted facts I have mentioned, nor discredited criticisms of your logic.I normally do not give references for facts which are easily looked up, especially online. I have been called on this before and proven myself each time. If you doubt any of the facts I present just ask me for references on the ones you can't find.Please don't brush off facts with comments like "secret moon base huh?'" or logical problems with "paranoia."Also it seems odd that this exchange was in reference to comments you made about me, which were not true. I can clearly rebut comments you make about me and they should have bite.You have characterized my actions and put words in my mouth, with just about every response you've made and none of them have been close to accurate. You clearly do not know who I am or what I am about, so I'd appreciate it if you dealt with actually criticizing my points and stop blasting into this liberal strawman you keep portraying as me.I did not accuse you of ranting, you said your posts are simply rants at an opposition which never listens and never changes their mind. I know my posts are long, but they are hardly rants, and I hope any extreme comments are supported. If not they should be easy enough to refute with facts or logic.I will refrain from from ad hominem.------------------
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What's wrong with Christian missionaries being allowed into Iraq?

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Mind you, the Iraqis does not need a new religion, thank you. They need a government and some kind of livelihood.

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Againing, equating our "brutality" to Saddam.

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Easily. After all, the USA has carried out substantially more hostile acts against soveriegn states than Iraq has.I would like to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. ...They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam, in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country. John Kerry
Navy lieutenant, leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War
in testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
April 23, 1971