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Dr Adequate
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Message 30 of 302 (452226)
01-29-2008 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hill Billy
01-28-2008 11:41 PM


Lessons In Humility
This month's installment of creationist humility, as brought to you by fstdt.
Guzman writes:
The whole scientific establishment is in shambles. They don't know what DNA is...they don't know where it came from....they don't know what it does...they don't know how the information got there.....they don't know what role it plays (if any) in the construction of organisms -- they simply don't know jack, and now their explanations are borderlining on the mentally insane.
But these answers will never be had because the painful reality and truth is these answers are not to be found in the physical....the physical is just a manifestation of the mind. By looking at molecules, science isn't looking at the cause of anything; they're looking at the effects. DNA doesn't control life; life controls DNA....therefore stuyding DNA is mostly a waste of time and money...for it will provide answers to nothing.
truant writes:
Are They Nuts?!? If Evolution by either random or deterministic selection was possible.. THERE WOULD BE A FOSSIL RECORD!
Try and explain that with a fancy new experiment we're all supposed to swallow just because it got published. Nice. Study genestics and it is obvious to anyone of mean intelligence that so called macro evolution isn't possible.
speadingtheword writes:
Does being too open minded cause people to think too much and question too much? YES
Is it dangerous to think too much, and question too much? YES
Is it dangerous to know too much? YES
Does knowledge ultimately reduce peoples fear of God? YES
Is it better to be closed minded - secure in the knowledge that God has told you everything that you need to know? YES
We really need to put the breaks on science. Scientists should only be allowed to study what needs to be studied as decided by the people.
guzman writes:
none of that matters...all that matters is that ToE is exposed for being a piece of garbage...after that I honestly could care less, as I hate science.
lucan, on the death of Carl Sagan writes:
Campus Preacher noted: God even had mercy on poor old Carl Pagan. He gave him bone cancer and time to think about it. It obviously didn’t work. Therefore we must conclude, that geniuses like Carl Pagan and others can (Richard Dawkins probably will) and do and did go to Hell.
Is Evolution v. Creation an issue in Hell?
On that subject. It looks like to me God also had mercy on Steven Hawking. God allowed/gave him ALS when he was 21 to get his attention. It didn’t work. Looks like Hawking will go to to Hell too.
unfir_commander writes:
It is not known whether God created oil when he made the earth 6000 years ago, or whether oil and coal deposits were generated during Noah's flood 4000 years ago. It does not mattter. What does matter is if you don't believe that God created the earth 6000 years ago, you are going to Hell.
Editor-Surveyor writes:
It has been proven to rational, intelligent people, beyond a shadow of doubt, that dynos and humans have coesisted.
j writes:
their was no death until adam and eve sinned, so evolution wouldn't be work, if God wanted to use evolution to create the world he couldhave, but you need to know God creates everything right the first time, so evolution is one big fat joke, u feel me dog
And then you wonder why I occasionally feel superior to them.
Well, dammit, I'm only human.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 36 of 302 (452248)
01-29-2008 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by ICANT
01-29-2008 8:21 PM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
So you are saying because Paul said it was a shame for a woman to speak in tongues, interpet tongues, or speak as a prophet he said they could not speak at all in the church.
No, that's not what teen4christ is saying, as you could find out by looking at what he actually said.
Nor is it what St Paul said, as you could find out by looking at what he actually said.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 39 of 302 (452258)
01-29-2008 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Hill Billy
01-29-2008 9:16 PM


So perhaps educated folk do feel superior.
We certainly feel better educated.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 115 of 302 (453031)
02-01-2008 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by Hill Billy
01-31-2008 6:59 PM


Well, the moral seems to be that actual experts who do have the proper training and education are superior in expertise to people who aren't and who don't.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 150 of 302 (453798)
02-04-2008 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Hill Billy
02-02-2008 5:11 PM


Re: Dr.Eh?
Yes, I suppose.
It seems that judges and juries believed this fellow had " expertise."
I believe I read somewhere that your field is mathematics. Hope I got that right.
Now, you know exactly what qualifications you possess, thats clear, but how do I. Know that is.
While this forum remains anonymous, you don't.
You could ask me to do some maths, but I could get someone else to do it for me.
In real life it is possible to check these things. When someone claims to be an expert witness, they have to say what their qualifications are, and what papers they've published, and the opposition's lawyers should check that, because if you're a lawyer and you catch your opponent's expert witness perjuring himself, that's a good score.
I can't see why the guy you mention didn't get caught sooner ... I guess no system is foolproof.
My question is:
How do YOU know who to trust?
Cause, don't forget what Nator said: The only thing any of us have to go on here is what we read, you know.
Well, as I've pointed out, there are ways to judge the trustworthiness of individuals testifying to specific matters, though they are not foolproof.
It is easier to judge the trustworthiness of institutions. If chemists all tell me that table salt is sodium chloride, then I don't feel suspicious.
Why not? Well, nator said: "The only thing any of us have to go on here is what we read, you know." And this is true. If I wished to convince you that table salt was sodium chloride over the Internet, I could do no more than quote chemistry texts at you.
On the other hand, in real life, you could go and get some sodium and some chlorine, and see if it made salt, or you could replicate the experiments of Sir Humphrey Davy, or whatever.
Anyone who doesn't trust the experts always has the option of becoming one. So in order for the whole "salt = sodium chloride" thing to be a myth, you'd need everyone who took an amateur or professional interest in chemistry to enter into some huge, pointless conspiracy.
So I find such statements trustworty; and, conversely, if someone was to base a creationist argument on the proposition that table salt was, in fact, potassium fluoride, then I should be inclined to take any other statements he made about chemistry ... with a pinch of salt.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 152 of 302 (453802)
02-04-2008 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Hill Billy
02-03-2008 9:42 AM


Re: Hey, that's not bad!
Ka Ching!
We have a winner!
Someone finally told you what you want to hear? You must be thrilled.
But does it not take the lustre off the prize, when you reflect that as Heinrik is not capable of telepathy, his fantasies about what's going on other people's heads is, y'know, stuff he's made up?
Well, it's interesting to see what sort of testimony you find trustworthy.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 167 of 302 (453995)
02-05-2008 4:35 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by pelican
02-05-2008 1:10 AM


Re: Hey, that's not bad!
Which stuff have I made up?
Your fantasies about what's going on in other people's heads, as you might have discovered by reading my post, where I wrote:
Dr A writes:
[H]is fantasies about what's going on other people's heads is, y'know, stuff he's made up.
No wonder you don't understand what other people think, if you can't even understand what they think when they spell it out in plain English.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 170 of 302 (454028)
02-05-2008 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by pelican
02-05-2008 4:50 AM


Re: Hey, that's not bad!
My fantasies about "WHAT" exactly going on in other peoples heads? I never mention my fantasies to anyone. How would you know? You saying I have fantasies going on in my head does not make it so. You cannot possibly know unless you are a mind reader.
In fact, I can. You see, there is another way to find out what people think besides trying to read their minds, and that is by listening to them when they tell you what they think. The great thing about this method is that it usually works.
In this particular case, I read post #127 of this thread, which was written by you, and so I got to find out what you were thinking when you posted it, and so was able to observe that you fantasise about what's going on in other people's heads, since --- and this was the thing that tipped me off --- that post consisted mainly of a fantasy about what was going on in other people's heads.
Welcome to reality. Wipe your feet on the mat.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 172 of 302 (454208)
02-05-2008 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by pelican
02-05-2008 5:59 PM


Re: Hey, that's not bad!
My love, it was a hypothesis. You have to read the small print (so to speak). The introduction clearly states........taking it as true..........blah blah....then I would say...........
Yes. It was a fantasy. You imagined your premises. That is what a fantasy is.
Yes, exactly how I do it. So where did 'fantasy' come from?
That is not "how you do it", as you have just admitted, which is why I call it a fantasy.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 175 of 302 (454472)
02-07-2008 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by pelican
02-06-2008 12:03 AM


Re: Hey, that's not bad!
definition of hypothesisa proposal intended to explain certain facts or observations
Definition of fantasy:The creative imagination; unrestrained fancy. See synonyms at imagination.
Something, such as an invention, that is a creation of the fancy.
A capricious or fantastic idea; a conceit.
Fiction characterized by highly fanciful or supernatural elements.
An example of such fiction.
An imagined event or sequence of mental images, such as a daydream, usually fulfilling a wish or psychological need.
An unrealistic or improbable supposition.
Yes. You were indulging in fan-ta-sy.
Your imagination took hold of this one too. Is this the kind of material you use in a serious adult debate? Or was it meant to be a joke?
Yes ... that ... was ... a ... joke.
Well done.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 185 of 302 (454931)
02-09-2008 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by Hill Billy
02-08-2008 10:36 PM


Re: Trixie, your words betray you.
You can stomp your feet and say no if you want. You can rationalize, justify, cry, deny. Don't matter much to me. I think, based on the evidence, I see you for what you are.
A bully.
I find it interesting how during your long whine about how disagreeing with you is the same as bullying you and saying that you have "no value", you manage to take a little time off to fantasize about your posts making Trixie cry, and to point out your utter indifference to her feelings.
But I guess that's just the warm-hearted Christian in you.
Fortunately, your disingenuous fantasies are not at all likely to upset her; the insight that they inadvertently offer into your mental processes must surely compensate in unintentional humor for what they lack in charm.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 189 of 302 (454948)
02-09-2008 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Hill Billy
02-09-2008 1:02 PM


Re: Dr. your words betray you.
I find it interesting that when you respond to my posts you SEEM to be responding to how you feel as opposed what I
wrote
in words
that you could read
if you wanted to.
Whom do you hope to deceive by saying this? Everyone reading this thread can see perfectly well that I was replying to words of yours which I not only read, but quoted. Because I wanted to.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 206 of 302 (455157)
02-10-2008 10:56 PM
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02-10-2008 3:58 PM


Re: Repositioning to begin in 5....4...3..2.1
Beginning with the premise that evolutionists feel superior I was nudged into a re evaluation early in this thread. The new premise being, that the educated feel superior.
No, the better educated feel better educated.
That's all.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 216 of 302 (455242)
02-11-2008 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by pelican
02-10-2008 11:26 PM


Re: Trixie, your words betray you.
You appear to be the only one who keeps seeing these fantasies.
You have, of course, no data on which to base this conclusion, which is obviously false.
You do make stuff up a lot, don't you?
I'm sure Hill Billy wasn't fantasizing about Trixie crying.
Your certainty will be shaken if you read the post where he fantasises about Trixie crying.
Don't you go worrying your head over us females.
I am not, as you would know had you read the portion of my post that you quoted, where I wrote: "Fortunately, your disingenuous fantasies are not at all likely to upset her; the insight that they inadvertently offer into your mental processes must surely compensate in unintentional humor for what they lack in charm."
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Message 256 of 302 (455804)
02-13-2008 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by Hill Billy
02-12-2008 1:29 PM


Re: Dr. Fantasy
Are you trying to tell me that educated people only feel one emotion, better educated?
No.
Hummm, now who is trying to deceive who here?
The person wilfully misrepresenting my statement, i.e. you.
(Unless you are genuinely dumb enough to think that the crazy gibberish you made up in your head is what I really meant, in which case you have my sympathy.)

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