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AZPaul3
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Message 133 of 302 (453627)
02-03-2008 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Hill Billy
02-03-2008 11:31 AM


Re: Ok.......The TOPIC
No.
A violation of 15 USC can only occur if the copyrighted symbol, picture, word or phrase is used for commercial gain without the copyright owner’s permission.
In the case of Taz and Percy there is no commercial gain experienced by posting on this forum. There is no violation of the Uniform Commercial Code.
It seems your knowledge of the law is a bit weak in this area. What a surprise.

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AZPaul3
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Message 260 of 302 (455962)
02-14-2008 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Hill Billy
02-14-2008 3:57 PM


Re: Anti-science crowded house
Hillbilly, I hope you realize that we get nowhere if we are constantly re-inventing the wheel with every new generation. Not every school child needs to re-discover Calculus, Maxwell’s Equations or Relativity on their own. We learn from the conclusions others have already drawn. Some of the brighter kids will test those original conclusions to see for themselves, of course.
This has been going on for hundreds of years now and most of these conclusions have remained intact. Those that have been found in error have been discarded and science advances forward with new conclusions. The great majority of our scientific advances, however, have been built by extending and using these conclusions of others.
Evolution is one of the conclusions that has stood up to these repeated tests over the last 150 years. And it has given us great advances in genetics, agriculture, ecology, medicine, etc.
The Big Bang is another.
Please understand that no competent Science teacher will convey a story like “the universe came from nothing, everything in the universe came from nothing . ” or anything similar. Only religion says some god poofed it into existence by magic. Science does not say that.
[aside]
Knowing your penchant to obscure what you find as unpleasant ideas with nitpicky syntax quibbles, let me say it first: I know Science does not say anything. Scientists do.
[/aside]
All our data, all our evidence (and there is a whole lot of it for those who care to look) indicate that about 13+- billion years ago the universe was very small (smaller than the size of a proton) and has been expanding ever since. Where it came from we do not know. How it came into being we do not know. Yet.
Any other story you may have heard about what Science says of where the universe came from or how it came into being is either a gross misunderstanding of what you heard or a misrepresentation (willful or from ignorance) of the facts we do know.
I guess there is a third scenario. All other stories about the birth of this universe are the fairy tales of superstitious religious wishful thinking . and there are thousands of them. And from the facts we do know, these fanciful stories can all be ignored.
abe: Just to tie into the actual subject of this thread, yes, I am feeling quite superior at this point.
Edited by AZPaul3, : To make the point.
Edited by AZPaul3, : Stupid syntax errors.

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AZPaul3
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Message 262 of 302 (455968)
02-14-2008 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by ICANT
02-14-2008 5:56 PM


Re: Anti-science crowded house
So if I say "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
Even though the universe exists and I am here presenting this message it is just a fairy tale as it is wishful thinking. In other words a bunch of hogwash.
Yep.
But you with all your education can say in the long ago 13+ billion years ago there was this small something that was in a place that did not exist yet and we don't know where it came from or why.
Well the "small something" was the entire universe and the "place that did not exist yet" is a gross misunderstanding of the concept, but, other than those quibbles ... Yep.
It just appeared from nowhere in nothing and started to expand into the universe we see today.
uhh...you forgot to read my words.
quote:
Where it came from we do not know. How it came into being we do not know. Yet.
This does not say "It just appeared from nowhere in nothing and started to expand into the universe we see today." It says,
quote:
Where it came from we do not know. How it came into being we do not know. Yet.

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AZPaul3
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Message 277 of 302 (456079)
02-15-2008 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by ICANT
02-14-2008 8:09 PM


Re: Anti-science crowded house
OK you don't know where it came from.
Not yet.
You don't know how it came into being.
Not yet.
You don't know what it appeared in.
Not yet.
You don't know if it came from something.
Obviously it “came” from something as in it had some causal mechanism, we just don’t know what that causal mechanism was, yet.
You don't know if it came from an absence of anything.(Ex nihilo )
See above.
All you know is it was. Because you have been told so.
There we have a major problem. I do not “believe” these facts based upon some science-flavored “faith” akin to the religious faith in things that have no evidence. And, unlike a religionist, I do not take what I have been “told” as gospel without adequate evidence to substantiate the claim.
All that sounds like a fairy tale to me.
No comment.
But you want me to believe it just happened because you say it happened the way you say it happened and we are here so it must have happened the way you say it happened.
No, ICANT, I am not trying to make you believe anything.
The data, the facts, the evidence is out there for anyone who cares to look. From Hubble’s observations, the Microwave Background and its source, the red shift data, Type-Ia supernova data and the list goes on, it is all there.
I do not want you to believe it just because I said it. That is religion. That is stupid. If you care to, I invite you to see it all for yourself.
I am not your priest.
I diagnose you with a severe case of superiority complex.
This is true . but then you make it so easy.
God Bless you need it,
I am not a believer, ICANT, but I do appreciate the sentiment. Thank you.
And may the force of intellect be with you.

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