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Hill Billy
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Message 1 of 302 (451875)
01-28-2008 11:41 PM


In another thread Nator stated
The only thing any of us have to go on here is what we read, you know.
This is a very exiting moment for me because....I agree.
I have read a great many posts here and one thing has become very clear.
Evolutionists feel superior.
They value education above all else and because they have education their positions have more value, their words have more value, even their Kwikie Marts are better.
(Nator,from this thread.)
http://EvC Forum: And what do you do? -->EvC Forum: And what do you do?
I moved into specialty food retail and have done cashier, floor sales, buying, professional tasting, instruction and training, merchandising and consulting.
I currently do all of these things for a small specialty grocery in a small New England town with a lot of tourist activity.
That evolutionists feel more valuable is not in question, I mean from only one thread http://EvC Forum: Anyone else notice this pattern? -->EvC Forum: Anyone else notice this pattern?
I gleaned all this from Nator.
I don't care if you think I'm condecending.
(I believe thats condescending. You know, spell check.)
I do not deny that I am coming right out and saying that Riverrat's command of the english language is inferior.
(This said while others were stating they understood Riverrat just fine.)
I just don't care if someone is offended over the course of a debate
Pretty clear, no?
In the same thread Rahvin asks,
Do you honestly expect anything other than a condescending tone when explaining for the hundredth time information taught in Junior High science classes to a Creationist who just won't get it?
and says,
When speaking from a position of superior knowledge of science to one whose proficiency in that arena is less than that of a teenage child
and
Such a position is completely insane.
The position is written so clearly that even a hillbilly with absolutely no reading comprehension exam scores to wave around can understand.
Evolutionists feel they have more value as people.
It seems that evolutionists come here to debate motivated by a desire to crush their opponents and wallow in their superiority, while creationists come to debate out of a sincere concern for our souls. After all, is it not written that " Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all living." Genesis 3:20.
That might suggest some sort of value equality, all fruit of the same tree so to speak.
To state it like a hillbilly would:
The city slicker thinks of the farmer " uneducated trash. " The farmer thinks of the city slicker " Poor bastard don't know his ass from a hole in the ground."
In the aforementioned thread I posted this,
Creationists think they know God.Evolutionists think they know everything. It may be as simple as them believing that because they understand something, they understand everything.I'm not sure but it comes across the screen as a sense that they feel more valuable as people because of their education.I wonder where this type of attitude could lead.
So the questions are:
1. How did evolutionists come to the conclusion that they are more valuable people?
(My guess is through some sort of empiricism or imperialism or something.)
And perhaps more importantly:
2. What might the future implications of this trend be?
(I'd say things don't look so good for the evolushun of us hillbillies.)
Coffee?
Anyone?
Edited by Hill Billy, : cause I can

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Hill Billy
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From: The hills
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Message 3 of 302 (451898)
01-29-2008 2:09 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Taz
01-29-2008 1:38 AM


This ain't coffee, it's warm brown water.
Taz! There you are.
Well, of course I feel superior.
Yes, your writings would suggest that.
I'm quite a sexist, you know, so I know I'm better than women. I'm quite a racist, you know, so I know I'm better than black people. I'm quite a homophobe, so I know I'm better than gay people. I'm quite a christian, you know, so I know I'm better than everybody else who's not a christian in the world.
Is this sarcasm? Are you offended that I recognize that you feel superior?
Or are you actually going to take the position that you don't?
So, now that we have settled one issue, what's next?
Well, you didn't actually deal with either of my two questions.
1. How did evolutionists come to the conclusion that they are more valuable people?
And perhaps more importantly:
2. What might the future implications of this trend be?
Keep your stick on the ice.

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Hill Billy
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Posts: 163
From: The hills
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Message 10 of 302 (452035)
01-29-2008 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Larni
01-29-2008 5:10 AM


Refill please.
Larni,you state
The problem here is that you have concluded that evolutionist beleive they are 'more valuable' people.
Problem? Yes, I suppose for those who don't wish to face that side of themselves it would be troublesome.
I arrived at this conclusion after carefully examining the evidence, (Many thousands of evolutionist posts on this forum). Perhaps you are suggesting that my interpretation of the evidence is incorrect.
Care to refute? After all, I did provide some examples.
There is quite a difference in 'knowing more about a particular subject' and being 'more valuable'.
Yes,I see you understand my position.
I would confidently imagine that Nator knows a great deal more about ponies than I (even though I grew up with them and have many years of experience with crazy skittish beasts) because of her systematic education.
I would wonder if this confidence is well placed.We know she got the degree. We don't know if she learned anything.We do however,know that you have learned something.
I grew up with them and have many years of experience with crazy skittish beasts
I'm equally confident that I know more about psychology than her (even though her hubby would have inevitably exposed her to psychological ideas and concepts) because of my systematic education.
This seems a stronger base for your confidence , cause you seem much more careful about the personal information you reveal to all of us.
Does either dictate 'greater value'? I think not.
I think not too.
I would go as far to ask you why you infer 'value' from differing levels of education?
I would go so far as to ask you where you got the idea that I do infer "value" from differing levels of education. I am suggesting, no stating, that evolutionists do "infer" value from differing levels of education. I provided evidence to back this claim. I can provide even more if you wish to attempt to refute what I already brought.The writing is on the wall so to speak.
Surely we are all of equal value?
Surely you are correct. I believe I covered this in the OP,remember, me, quoting scripture and all. Clearly you didn't comprehend what I wrote. Perhaps you didn't actually read it. I state clearly that evolutionists feel they are more valuable people.
Seems the real trouble here is that the hillbilly can see it.

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Hill Billy
Member (Idle past 5375 days)
Posts: 163
From: The hills
Joined: 01-26-2008


Message 12 of 302 (452044)
01-29-2008 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by RAZD
01-29-2008 8:13 AM


Re: ironic aint it
Razd,
I find your air of superiority and condescension concerning people classified by one single (vaguely descriptive) word to be insulting.
Enjoy.
I find your lack of the characteristics described above quite refreshing.
It's no fun gettin painted with the same brush as your associates.
As an aside, I do often enjoy, though often you go way over my head.

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Hill Billy
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Message 15 of 302 (452105)
01-29-2008 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Quetzal
01-29-2008 9:29 AM


This coffee is cold
Although I don't particularly want to discuss the two questions you posed at the end of the OP
Can't say as I blame ya.
(mostly because I think they're specious along the lines of "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?")
Mmmm, ok.
In this and at least one other thread you have voiced a complaint about the "condescending" attitude of "evolutionists". You also appear to link this attitude to level of education. That little quip about the stereotypical farmer (apparently all farmers are uneducated boobs in your book while all educated people are idiots with no "real world" experience or ability), seems to define your viewpoint.
Class, class! Ok, the point of the story is that while the city slicker displayed disdain toward the farmer, the farmer displayed concern toward the city slicker. Get it?
In fact, you have gone rhetorically far out of your way - nearly to the point of absurdity - in proclaiming yourself uneducated (in spite of your obvious command of the language)
Hang on here! Are you suggesting that I'm bullshitting about my lack of education? Thank you so much for proving my point.
I guess to distance yourself from those "educated idiots".
This is to easy, it must be a trap.
1. What do you have against education in general, and education in the life sciences
Absolutely nothing.
especially, apparently, evolutionary biology) in particular (if that is in fact the case)?
It ain't.
2. Why do you feel that an advanced level of knowledge in a particular subject - whatever that may be - is somehow wrong?
What?
Or is your argument specifically against education in the life sciences?
Apparently a bunch of you all had the same reading comprehension teacher.
My position is clear. Evolutionists feel superior. You proved it by suggesting I may have more education then I claim.
3. Do you really believe that ignorance of a particular subject is somehow more desirable than in-depth knowledge of it
That, my brother, would depend totally on the subject matter. I can think of plenty of things I already know way too much about.
what is the point you are attempting to illustrate with this self-evidently vacuous rhetorical device
That you seem to use a lot of big words to impress yet you struggle over the meaning of the little ones.
(because, to be honest, whatever point you are trying to convey is to me very obscure)?
Yes, I see that. Thank you for your honesty.
I hope I was able to help.

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Hill Billy
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Posts: 163
From: The hills
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Message 17 of 302 (452122)
01-29-2008 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by pelican
01-29-2008 10:05 AM


Hill billy, glutton for punishment rh?
I'm not sure what you are gettin at. A few of us here are laughing our asses off.

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Hill Billy
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Posts: 163
From: The hills
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Message 18 of 302 (452131)
01-29-2008 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Taz
01-29-2008 11:11 AM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
Dude!
I responded your rant with a rant.
As difficult as this may be for you to accept, you responded to a well thought out, reasoned position .......with a rant.
Isn't that what this thread is about? Random rants from deep down years of anger from oppression?
That seems to be your position. For my position please refer to the OP.
Frankly, I'm sick and tired of seeing women in positions of power. I'm also sick and tired of black people being treated as equal. They ain't no equal to me.
Yikes!
The bible specifically says that women should STHU in the church.
Um, dare I ask? ...Chapter and verse please.
I mean, doesn't anyone care about god's laws anymore?
No, not many do.

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Hill Billy
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Message 20 of 302 (452140)
01-29-2008 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Modulous
01-29-2008 1:03 PM


Re: Refill please.
Modulous, You write
Naturally, possessing a high level of education has high value in the market place - those with higher education are, in general, given higher waged jobs. There is demand for higher levels of education. Though also, there is value in experience. So one might consider that in general someone with a degree and 5 years work experience is more valuable to the market than someone who dropped out of high school and sat around watching Oprah for 15 years.
Thank you for being the first to answer my question.
1. How did evolutionists come to the conclusion that they are more valuable people?
So, you used the "scientific method" I see.
So if evolutionists believe, as you claim, that they are more valuable people - who or what do they think are they more valuable to?
I don't know. Perhaps not hillbillys......No wait.......... They think they are more valueable TO hillbillies then hillbillies are to themselves..
Ya.

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Hill Billy
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Message 24 of 302 (452195)
01-29-2008 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
01-29-2008 2:47 PM


Re: There's Intellect in them thar Hills
Phat writes:
I dont think it is necessary evolutionists. It is educated folks in general. Since they value education as an evolution of human progressive thought and understanding, they feel that they have a better understanding of reality than otherwise uneducated folk.
You leave me no choice. I must re-evaluate my position.
I think you might be right.
Educated folk feel superior.
Get off this Hill Billy schtick!
Oh no, not you to Phat!
I assure you the hillbilly thing ain't no schtick. I'm confident I would fill all the requirements. Right down to the old coils and tanks out in the shed.
You are more intelligent than you would have us believe!
Thanks for the complement. I must however state that I leave the relative level of my own intelligence open to question.
The beef that many educated people have against Bible raised creationists is that they feel that the creationists refuse to learn about anything else other than what they are taught.
Ya, that ain't so hard to understand seein as we have all had to deal with that frustration ( someone who refuses to learn.)but that behavior is not exclusive to creationists.
Arrogant? Perhaps.
Who?
Just kidding.
I think......

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Hill Billy
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Message 26 of 302 (452198)
01-29-2008 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Creationista
01-29-2008 3:23 PM


Mmmm. thick rich .ya.
"The bible specifically says that women should STHU in the church."
"Um, dare I ask? ...Chapter and verse please."
1Cr 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Cr 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Thank you so much for contributing. I love scripture!
I was kinda hopin Taz would go lookin for it but hey, there it is, proof that the bible does NOT specifically say
"women should STHU in the church."
It says
1Cr 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Cr 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Now we could debate that they "mean" the same thing but that ,I'm confident, would be off topic.

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Hill Billy
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Message 27 of 302 (452205)
01-29-2008 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Quetzal
01-29-2008 5:37 PM


Re: This coffee is cold
Quetzal
Okay, now you're just getting more cryptic. On the one hand, you claim your beef is with "evolutionists", and specifically with what you perceive is arrogance on the part of "educated" evolutionists. On the other, you now claim you have no problem with education in the field.
I don't know about cryptic, based on that, you seem to get me just fine.
If you have no problem with education, no problem with the life sciences, etc, why single out people who accept evolution?
Because there is such an abundance of material to support the case.
Now you're just playing silly games. You may have a third grade education or whatever it is you claim, but you picked up an excellent command of English somewhere along the way.
Some here have already strongly debated that very point.
Perhaps you'd be willing to explain how acknowledging this proves I feel superior?
It may have had something to do with your suggestion that I was being disingenuous about my lack of education.
No, I don't "get it". Both people in your little story think the other is a loser - the "city slicker" thinks the farmer is an ignorant git, the farmer thinks the city slicker is a clueless idiot. No concern there, as far as I can see. Unless there's more to the story than you are sharing.
Hmmm.
The farmer thinks of the city slicker " Poor bastard
That cover it?

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Hill Billy
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From: The hills
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Message 37 of 302 (452254)
01-29-2008 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by teen4christ
01-29-2008 6:57 PM


This isn't even brown!
Teen4Christ,do you expect me to take you seriously?
"Educated" people debate with each other honestly and in good faith.
Come on, I mean this statement is as preposterous as sayin something like, oh I don't know, maybe
"Evolutionists feel superior."
Then you follow with this.
"Uneducated" people seem to only be able to nitpick the semantics,
So perhaps educated folk do feel superior.

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Hill Billy
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Message 38 of 302 (452256)
01-29-2008 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by teen4christ
01-29-2008 7:21 PM


Re: Lessons In Humility
It's hard to imagine anyone that ignorant yet so arrogant.
No need for imagination here.

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Hill Billy
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Message 40 of 302 (452259)
01-29-2008 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by CK
01-29-2008 4:10 PM


Re: Refill please.
so who were you?
Why, I was the one observing and recording the events, of course.

"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.

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Hill Billy
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Message 41 of 302 (452260)
01-29-2008 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Modulous
01-29-2008 4:51 PM


I don't think I am more valuable to you than you are to yourself.
Thats a refreshing attitude round these parts.

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