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EZscience
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Message 18 of 65 (303537)
04-12-2006 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Larni
04-12-2006 6:15 AM


If there really was a Christian Fundamentalist State it would be little better than Taliban Rule. However, even if they could dominate all their secular opponents, they would probably end up killing each other over which 'true interpretation' of the Bible should be the basis for their legislation. It would eventually self-destruct or a new dark age would ensue.

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EZscience
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Message 41 of 65 (303924)
04-13-2006 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by ThingsChange
04-13-2006 9:50 AM


The Christian State (according to TC)
TC writes:
I can't believe how you and other people see Christians as so evil.
Not evil. Just misguided. Do you think the Taliban and Islam are evil? Because I know Candle Girl does, and that is kind of implied by your statement. I would merely judge them as misguided, much like fundamentalist Xians.
I don't consider Xians evil. My resentment of Christians only begins when they try and impose their particular values and morals on everyone else through political activism.
TC writes:
The Bible even says to "render unto Caesar" or something like that, so that religious practice is kept separate from governing.
It is not Christian 'practice' of religion we are worried about. It is the laws they would pass if they had control of government
TC writes:
1. Sexual businesses (such as topless bars, bath spas, internet porn, etc.) would be banned, or at least "suffocated" (example: cannot be located within 100 miles of a school or church or a public place)
Wouldn't really affect me personally, but I'm not a single, horny, 20-something guy anymore. I would object to this type of legislation on principle. No one forces Xians to go into topless bars - they should just ignore them - the same way I ignore the saying of grace when it is tacitly assume everyone is a Xian at some public dinner. We can't just be outlawing everything that we find personally distasteful.
TC writes:
2. Illegal drugs would be more suppressed and penalties stiffer, although there probably would be more preventative programs and help for people to break their habit.
Great. More people in jail for longer terms. Another NO vote from me.
TC writes:
3. Alcohol and bars would be more restricted, but not banned.
Presumably because alcohol happens to also be a drug of choice among Xians? I think there are plenty enough restrictions on alcohol and bars already.
TC writes:
4. Some Sunday activites might be discouraged with laws, so that there would be more incentive to go to church. (in my case, I would take the opportunity to sleep late)
Not sure what you have in mind here. No more shopping on Sunday? That would just be a pain in the butt. It is usually the one day I go into town to stock up on food for the week.
TC writes:
5. TV and movies would be restricted more.
I was waiting for the censorship to show up. I happen to prefer to view all artforms in an uncensored format. I think the holier-than-thow gatekeepers at the FCC are far too involved in censorship already. If a TV show offends you, change the channel. That's what I have to do if I happen to surf into Jerry Falwell. I don't complain to the FCC to take him off the air because I am offended by him (and I am).
TC writes:
6. The Hollywood rich and corporate over-paid executives would probably be limited in compensation and taxed more heavily.
Well I wouldn't cry for them, but tax policy can't single out people by their profession - only by income. I would like to TAX ALL THE CHURCHES. Do you have any idea how disgustingly wealthy the Catholic Church is?
TC writes:
7. The strategy for helping the poor probably would shift towards more temporary welfare along with programs to help people get off their feet and support themselves
Well I'm not a big welfare fan having grown up in Canada (I assume you mean get people 'off their ass') but I would be surprised if that panned out. Most of the Xian Right are Republican and the GOP are mostly opposed to welfare in any form.
TC writes:
8. Education would incorporate Creationism as the truth, and an ignorant portrayal of Evolution. Prayer would be re-introduced. Teachers would be given more power to discipline
And this is not as bad as I might think?
Corruption of education with religion.
Replacement of science with dogma.
Brainwashing the young and impressionable with Xian mythology.
This is THE projected nightmare.
TC writes:
9. Advancement in science would suffer indirectly
Indirectly my ass. It would suffer directly.
TC writes:
Gay rights would not be established, but gays would not be imprisoned.
You don't think they would suffer greater discrimination and repression than they do already? I suspect they would. Science is developing a pretty good understanding of the factors that contribute to gender role reversal during development but they haven't been accepted by Xians who prefer to view this biological phenomenon as a 'crime against god'. The Xian approach has included sending gay kids to 'treatment camps' so they can be 'converted' back into straight people. Sheeesh.
TC writes:
11. The establishment of religion clause would be struck, so that "separation of church and state" would no longer be a legal issue.
Great. So there would be no protection of non-Xians from Xian policies and propaganda.
TC writes:
Oh yes, I almost forgot, abortion would be outlawed.
No kidding. Well they are already making inroads there, in South Dakota anyway. This deprives a woman of the right to control her own fertility.
Not something I would want to see in a country I live in.
No, I think your vision (that you seem to consider 'not so bad') is not so far off the mark, but it is a very scary one, indeed.
edited for punctuation - EZ
This message has been edited by EZscience, 04-13-2006 12:36 PM

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EZscience
Member (Idle past 5175 days)
Posts: 961
From: A wheatfield in Kansas
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Message 45 of 65 (303954)
04-13-2006 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by ThingsChange
04-13-2006 3:01 PM


Re: The Christian State (according to TC)
OK. You got me. IF those were the ONLY choices...((((shiver))))
I guess I would choose Christian.
At least they aren't oppressing women (to the same degree) as the Taliban.
But I might choose some other eastern religion state over a Christian one, were it an alternative.
Something a bit more 'live and let live' like Buddist.

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