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Author Topic:   A Christian State.
Faith 
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Message 5 of 65 (303473)
04-12-2006 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Larni
04-12-2006 6:15 AM


SO silly. The Reformation was as good as a fundamentalist state and Europe thrived under it. The Mayflower brought over nothing but fundamentalists. The early days of America were fundamentalist. Good things came of it such as the first governing principles that ultimately undergirded the US Constitution. Sheesh.
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Message 12 of 65 (303513)
04-12-2006 11:30 AM
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04-12-2006 10:31 AM


Re: Nonsense
The occupants of the Mayflower were fundamentalists, meaning Bible-believing Christians. The Mayflower Compact was a basis for the Constitution.

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Faith 
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Message 16 of 65 (303532)
04-12-2006 12:22 PM
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04-12-2006 11:49 AM


Re: Nonsense
I said it was A basis for the Constitution.
quote:
The Compact is often described as America's first constitution, but it is not a constitution in the sense of being a fundamental framework of government. Its importance lies in the belief that government is a form of covenant, and that for government to be legitimate, it must derive from the consent of the governed. The settlers recognized that individually they might not agree with all of the actions of the government they were creating; but they, and succeeding generations, understood that government could be legitimate only if it originated with the consent of those it claimed to govern.
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/2.htm
http://www.constitutioncenter.org/...ngDocuments/index.shtml
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Message 21 of 65 (303569)
04-12-2006 2:46 PM
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04-12-2006 2:33 PM


The reason I brought up history is that historically this idea that Christianity is opposed to freedoms or to intellectual work is just plain wrong, so your ideas of what a Christian State would be like are just based on your ignorance of history. Historically obtuse. The Puritans ought to be evidence of that, and the Reformation too for that matter, which liberated all kinds of intellectual work, and the Roman Catholic church as well. Universities were founded by Christians for training Christians. You guys are all ignorant of history. Religious freedom was most strongly argued by Puritan theologian John Owen, Dean of Oxford when John Locke was a student there. I've posted on this before.
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