There is a lot of good discussion happening in this topic, but...
I think it's gone off-topic, and/or fragmented into 2 or more (worthy) topics.
I suggest more specific topics be started, including Jimmy Carter II, if needed.
I'm closing this one. As always, if anyone disagrees with this decision, they are welcome to e-mail me (or post a "Short Term..." forum topic). Topics can be re-opened.
Adminnemooseus
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