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Author Topic:   Where are the left wingers, I ask?
nator
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Message 1 of 50 (417668)
08-23-2007 6:59 PM


Many conservatives come on to this board talking about "The Leftists" and "The Far Left" in American politics. Often, they point to people Like Senator Clinton and John Edwards to illustrate the "left-leaning" nature of the Democratic party, and Dennis Kucinich is completely dismissed as a "radical" on the left. Words like "Marxist" has even been bandied about on occasion by posters like Faith.
I am sure you are all aware of the Political Compass website, as it has made the rounds several times on this site and lots of us have completed the questions and seen where we fall on the spectrum.
The following is a view of the ideological category of each of the presidential candidates based upon their expressed campaign platform and their own publically-stated political views.
These results, you must remember, are based upon the worldwide political spectrum.
Here, Clinton and Edwards are considered by many to be left-leaning Liberals, but compared to the rest of the world, they are firmly in the Authoritarian Right Wing conservative category, perhaps slightly libertarian.
Gravel and Kucinich are slightly left-leaning Libertarians, compared to the rest of the world.
I am not surprised, since I am well-aware that the US is an extremely conservative place politically and has been slipping closer to Authoritarianism and Fascism in recent decades, but I wonder how many of our conservative members are equally surprised?
They may be, but not for the same reasons I am, I'll wager.
AbE: Just did the test again.
I am a left-leaning Libertarian.
Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.31
Apparently, I score very close to the Dalai Lama.
Cool.
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jar
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Message 2 of 50 (417673)
08-23-2007 7:39 PM


Kinda where I always seem to fall, still in the 9 ring.

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Omnivorous
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Message 3 of 50 (417675)
08-23-2007 7:44 PM
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08-23-2007 6:59 PM


Here I is!
quote:
Economic Left/Right: -9.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.31
I seem to be lodged in the lower left corner of the grid, where I will stand my ground.
I bet Ringo is nearby.
I feel the Constitution near me, too--the Declaration of Independence and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights even nearer.
The Wrong American Right (WAR) has succeeded in shifting the spectrum hard to the right in recent decades.
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Message 4 of 50 (417678)
08-23-2007 8:03 PM
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08-23-2007 7:44 PM


Re: Here I is!
quote:
Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56
I feel downright moderate.

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Omnivorous
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Message 5 of 50 (417679)
08-23-2007 8:11 PM
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Re: Here I is!
I think it was my support for mandatory school attendance that kept me from going off-scale.

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Message 6 of 50 (417680)
08-23-2007 8:13 PM
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08-23-2007 6:59 PM


Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.10
my fiance is calling me a commie.

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Message 7 of 50 (417681)
08-23-2007 8:14 PM
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08-23-2007 8:11 PM


Re: Here I is!
me too.

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Message 8 of 50 (417682)
08-23-2007 8:19 PM


Three years ago I scored near the lower left corner:
quote:
-8.00 on economic and -7.44 on social
I'd take it again, but I probably know enough now to force my score exactly onto the lower left corner.
Edited to add:
Holy shit! Former U.S. Senator from Alaska Mike Gravel is running for President? Wow! (And, yes, I do remember him, as a matter of fact.)
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nator
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Message 9 of 50 (417684)
08-23-2007 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by jar
08-23-2007 7:39 PM


quote:
Kinda where I always seem to fall, still in the 9 ring.
So why the hell were you ever a Republican, jar?

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Omnivorous
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Message 10 of 50 (417685)
08-23-2007 8:23 PM
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08-23-2007 8:13 PM


Kiss me, I'm a Commie!
Is that too chatty?

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Message 11 of 50 (417689)
08-23-2007 8:42 PM
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08-23-2007 8:23 PM


probably. that's okay. we're the dangerous left. we're gonna sit in and conscientiously object them to death.
but seriously. there is a vocal minority of lefties. but they're on the internet and they forget to vote. the majority of this country is falling off the right cliff. and in the mean time, we have this imaginary spectre of the evil commie left which you and i encourage with our extremism. of course, we probably vote differently than we e-quiz.

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Omnivorous
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Message 12 of 50 (417690)
08-23-2007 8:44 PM
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08-23-2007 8:42 PM


brenna writes:
but seriously. there is a vocal minority of lefties. but they're on the internet and they forget to vote. the majority of this country is falling off the right cliff. and in the mean time, we have this imaginary spectre of the evil commie left which you and i encourage with our extremism. of course, we probably vote differently than we e-quiz.
True. I vote for the person closest to my philosophy who has a snowball's chance of winning.
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Message 13 of 50 (417691)
08-23-2007 8:49 PM
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08-23-2007 8:44 PM


i really can't see that anyone out there has a chance of winning. i just really don't see it. not at all.

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Omnivorous
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Message 14 of 50 (417692)
08-23-2007 8:55 PM
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08-23-2007 8:49 PM


brenna writes:
i really can't see that anyone out there has a chance of winning. i just really don't see it. not at all.
So far, me too.
I'm hoping a candidate will have a fugue and just start telling the truth.
I'm not holding my breath.
Still, come election day, I'll vote for bad rather than worse.
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Message 15 of 50 (417693)
08-23-2007 8:56 PM
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08-23-2007 8:55 PM


i'm so pissed that both hillary and barak support the patriot act.

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