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Author Topic:   Right wing conservatives are evil? Well, I have evidence that they are.
joshua221 
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Message 151 of 302 (196293)
04-02-2005 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by coffee_addict
04-02-2005 6:14 PM


Re: thanks man, thanks alot
I said "why complain"
You thought this meant about homosexuality.
You complained...
About "waving around that wonderful population genetics knowledge you supposedly had"
I say to you sir, let it be, let it be, let it be. -The Beatles

The escape exists within ourselves, not within the bank account's numbers of papers.

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joshua221 
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Message 152 of 302 (196295)
04-02-2005 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by berberry
04-02-2005 6:50 PM


Re: thanks man, thanks alot
quote:
So can you understand that homosexuality is not a choice? You didn't choose heterosexuality, you just found that you were in fact heterosexual. Same with me, I never made a choice. This is just who I am. I am not attracted to girls, just as you are not attracted to boys. You wouldn't be able to "choose" homosexuality because it isn't you. Likewise, I would never be able to "choose" heterosexuality because it isn't me.
I understand. Schraf likes to play games and not go straight to the point by asking personal questions.

The escape exists within ourselves, not within the bank account's numbers of papers.

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Trump won 
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Message 153 of 302 (196298)
04-02-2005 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by berberry
04-02-2005 6:42 PM


Re: thanks man, thanks alot
quote:
Not exactly. I think scraf already mentioned that some animals can reason, and she's correct. What truly separates humans from lower animals is a capacity for complex abstract thought and reason.
Isn't that within our ability to reason? abstract thought is within our ability to reason.
when the age of reason came we started looking superior to our fellow inhabitants of earth

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joshua221 
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Message 154 of 302 (196299)
04-02-2005 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by coffee_addict
04-02-2005 8:10 PM


Re: thanks man, thanks alot
quote:
And you never bothered to question how or why you started liking girls. You should be aware that just the thought of being with a girl makes me want to vomit. In my early days, I never understood why people liked girls. I think you are currently in the same mindset. You think in an egocentric way: I like girls, therefore it must be the natural way for everyone. I like pizza, therefore Chinese people are unnatural because they don't like pizza.
I'm sorry for your bad experiences with girls.
quote:
You're young, so you need to realize that not everyone like the same food as you do.
That's my 2 dong for the day.
Yeah, you're right. But people aren't food. And it's much more complex than that. But yeah, I def see your point. I had no right to really judge any of you for what you all say a not chosen preference.

The escape exists within ourselves, not within the bank account's numbers of papers.

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Message 155 of 302 (196301)
04-02-2005 8:39 PM


"Chinese people are unnatural because they don't like pizza."
a generalization lol

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coffee_addict
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Message 156 of 302 (196302)
04-02-2005 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by joshua221
04-02-2005 8:34 PM


Re: thanks man, thanks alot
prophex writes:
But people aren't food.
Yes, they are.

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joshua221 
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Message 157 of 302 (196325)
04-02-2005 11:26 PM
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04-02-2005 8:46 PM


Re: thanks man, thanks alot
lol

The escape exists within ourselves, not within the bank account's numbers of papers.

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Phat
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Message 158 of 302 (196327)
04-03-2005 12:51 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by coffee_addict
04-02-2005 8:46 PM


Food for Thought
You guys! I go to work for 8 hours and when I come home, you have made such a mess! Tsk Tsk...Troy, if you are talking about food, you had better cook us up some good fixins here! This post is so far off topic and yet somehow...when Troy aka Jacen aka etc etc is involved, we always end up with our favorite Asian boi in a discussion about how the world does not understand him! You da cannibal!
Seriously, though..lets think this thing out. We have several liberals here. Troy, Berberry, and Schraf. Holmes also?
I am assuming that MessenJah and Prophex are still forming their political ideologies..so they are neutral. I, Reverand Farright, am conservative but my kinder gentler Phatboy is a moderate. OK?
In defense of my homie Prophex, I have to remember how I thought when I was 16. First of all, my family has never hated gays. We may have snickered a bit when we would see two guys smooching, but the topic rarely came up when I was young. Of course, the church always has been off the hook about homosexuals...yet I never thought that the church was really very fair.
I have met many people since I was 16. One of my childhood buddies turned out to be gay and it was no big deal except when he tried to hit on me! It was an awkward moment and I felt sorry for him, but I
chose not to be gay at that point. I have been around clubs where there were gay people and straight people...and I can honestly say that I did not hate anyone any more than anyone else except for those who were outright jerks! I guess that I like girls and guys both, but I don't label myself as bisexual by any means. I have lots of younger friends like you, Troy...who I could even say that I was attracted to, but not in a sexual way...its like you are my younger brothers I guess.
Girls are more mysterious and much tougher to win over...Schraf I will probably never convince you how much Jesus is real!
Prophex, I know how you think.(I think!) You have been around the block a few times and most all of your friends seem straight to you...people don't start tripping on their sexuality in the open until they are older...usually. I have met a few young guys your age(15-17) who say that they are gay. I never try and talk them out of it, but I do not encourage it, either.
I suppose that Berberry and Troy might say that I am a bigot, but really I don't see it that way. I am just being me.
You guys all know..(hopefully) that my favorite guy in the world is Jesus. He is my number one...the only guy that I would ever share my whole heart with. I will try and accept any of you who are homosexual
(berberry and Troy is all I know of...) as Jesus would accept you.
All that I ask, Troy, is that you don't feel unloved. I think that the reason that you started this thread is because you think that Right Wing Conservatives hate you. Some may, but I don't.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 159 of 302 (196328)
04-03-2005 1:02 AM
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04-03-2005 12:51 AM


Re: Food for Thought
It was an awkward moment and I felt sorry for him, but I
chose not to be gay at that point.
I don't think you made any choice at that point.
You simply were heterosexual, just as your friend simply is homosexual.

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Rrhain
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Message 160 of 302 (196329)
04-03-2005 1:05 AM


What Exactly is Heterosexualty? And What Causes It?
Heterosexuality is a condition in which people have a driving emotional and sexual interest in members of the opposite sex. Because of the anatomical, physiological, social, and cultural limitations involved, there are formidable obstacles to be overcome. However, many heterosexuals look upon this as a challenge and approach it with ingenuity and energy. Indeed, it can be said that most heterosexuals are obsessed with the gratification of their curious desires.
Hormonal Imbalance?
One theory advanced is that heterosexuals have an imbalance in their sex hormones: Instead of the normal mixture of the two, they have an excess of one or a dearth of the other resulting in an inability to enjoy full and satisfying relationships with their own sex.
Economic Conditions?
Our society grants financial and other incentives for exclusively (i.e. neurotic) heterosexual coupling: From tax concessions to council houses. To be gay is expensive and many people simply cannot afford it.
Fear of Death?
A terror of mortality lies beneath much heterosexual coupling. Driven to perpetuate themselves at any cost, most heterosexuals are indifferent to the prospect of the world-wide famine that will result if the present population explosion continues unchecked. Many heterosexuals attempt to convert others into this lifestyle heedless of the environmental disaster that would lead to the death of the species were everyone to be as they are.
Cultural Deprivation?
Most heterosexuals will be found to have come from a background in which an appreciation of the beauty of their own bodies has been ruthlessly suppressed. Heterosexual men in particular think themselves ugly, beauty being ascribed only to women. Many psychic disorders stem from this self-rejection.
Pathological Condition?
Many heterosexuals claim that they were just born that way. Unfortunately, this doesn’t hold water. All human beings are the result of the interaction between their substance and their environment and heterosexuals, like the rest of us, must share in the responsibility for their condition.
Social Conditioning?
Many unthinking heterosexuals succumb to the daily bombardment of conditioning from the mass media and live out their lives trapped in oppressive stereotypes. We should feel compassion for such people, not hostility, for their rejection of all those parts of the self that do not conform to the married-couple ideal is a measure of their loss of contact with their own unique sexuality.
Childhood Trauma?
A bad experience with a member of the same sex while young may cause rejection of all members of the same sex through fear. The desire continues in the subconscious and emerges as a heterosexual neurosis.
Parental Problems?
In most cases of compulsive heterosexual behaviour, the parents will be found to have suffered from similar difficulties.

Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Rrhain
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Message 161 of 302 (196332)
04-03-2005 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by Phat
04-03-2005 12:51 AM


Re: Food for Thought
Phatboy writes:
quote:
It was an awkward moment and I felt sorry for him, but I chose not to be gay at that point.
So you've got the hots for your friend, huh? Have you told him? I can see how awkward it must have been...you desperately wanting to express your feelings of love and affection for your friend but choosing not to, him seeing that you were huring inside from the conflict of knowing that your desire was for him but choosing to repress it. How sorry you must have felt for him since he apparently believed that you could be honest with him about yourself when you knew you would choose to lie to him about what you were feeling.
After all, you chose this, right?
If you can "choose" to be gay, then you must find certain types of men attractive. I think I've asked you this question before, but in case I haven't, I'll ask you again:
What sort of man turns you on? Are you somone who goes for the big, hunky muscle bears or are you more of a blond twinkie kinda guy? Do you love a man in a suit? Are you the type who likes clean-shaven men? Full beards? Stubble? When you look at a man, what catches your eye first? His eyes? His mouth? Chest? Arms? Legs? Ass? Package?
You claim that you "choose" not to be gay, so that must mean that you do have strong sexual attractions to people of your own sex that you simply "choose" not to engage in.
So I want to know: What type of man are you "choosing" not to be with?

Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

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berberry
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Message 162 of 302 (196333)
04-03-2005 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by Phat
04-03-2005 12:51 AM


Re: Food for Thought
Phatboy writes:
quote:
It was an awkward moment and I felt sorry for him, but I chose not to be gay at that point.
If that's the absolute truth, then you are indeed bisexual. If you are able to "choose", then you are not quite the same thing as the typical gay or straight. We can't choose. No matter how I as a gay man might find a woman attractive, I am not sexually aroused by her and I cannot perform with her unless I close my eyes and dream I'm with a man (as it happens, I haven't done that since high school). I think most straight men would have the same difficulty with other men, thus they don't "choose" to be straight. They just are.
quote:
I suppose that Berberry and Troy might say that I am a bigot, but really I don't see it that way. I am just being me.
This must be a reference to the gay marriage debate. I think your attitude that the government should deny the same marital protections to gays that they provide to straights is a bigoted attitude, but at least since I've come to know you a bit better I can see that you're mind is still open, so there's still hope. Thus I might say that you have some bigoted opinions but I wouldn't say that you are a bigot.
quote:
You guys all know..(hopefully) that my favorite guy in the world is Jesus.
Yes I do know that. You, jar and a few others have a much more appealing view of God and Jesus than do many of the creos here, and I'd like to take the opportunity to say that I mean no offense to you when I rail against the beastly god that some people here seem to worship.

Keep America Safe AND Free!

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Phat
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Message 163 of 302 (196334)
04-03-2005 1:24 AM
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04-03-2005 1:13 AM


Re: Food for Thought
Rrhain writes:
So I want to know: What type of man are you "choosing" not to be with?
I've never given it much thought, Rrhain! You actually think that I check guys out like that? Some of my friends may be gay, but I would never know for sure because we never discuss such over the top topics.
It is cool to talk about the things like we talk about at EvC. Maybe football. Maybe some women that we know. Maybe share some jokes.
I have made some references to some avatars here at EvC...As for yours, lets just say that you have a face that only a mother could love. Jesus tol me to love you too, so I do..(punk.) :chuckle:
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Phat
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Message 164 of 302 (196335)
04-03-2005 1:40 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by berberry
04-03-2005 1:23 AM


Is a Conservative social life evil?
berberry writes:
If that's the absolute truth, then you are indeed bisexual. If you are able to "choose", then you are not quite the same thing as the typical gay or straight. We can't choose. No matter how I as a gay man might find a woman attractive, I am not sexually aroused by her and I cannot perform with her unless I close my eyes and dream I'm with a man
I've never had a sexual relationship with a man (and too few with women!) so I can't relate. I am a conservative because I don't believe that people should have sex so casually. It does not matter what gender pairings we are talking about...casual sex leads to a messed up life!
Personally, I don't think that any unmarried people SHOULD be having sex on a regular basis...but I am not the worlds judge and I am too late to say much about that!
It is one thing to get all hot and bothered when you are a teenager and get carried away...just about everybody has done that. It is also expected that the first serious relationship of your life will probably have some sexual encounters in it. This is not always true,however.
My first serious relationship with a girl ended when she married someone else! I have never had another relationship like that one! I am truly not a lonely person, however. I have many friends of both genders and all of my boys are straight with me. They know that I like them and we are all like brothers! The few women that can put up with my selfish life get along with me better than I deserve also. I may never get married, but if God so wills it I will do it!
I have conservative ideas about sexuality. Is this anything BUT evil???
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berberry
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Message 165 of 302 (196337)
04-03-2005 3:00 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Phat
04-03-2005 1:40 AM


Re: Food for Thought
Phatboy writes me:
quote:
I've never had a sexual relationship with a man (and too few with women!) so I can't relate.
You don't have to have a sexual relationship in order to tell. Rrhain was exceedingly crude in the way he put it, but his line of questioning was useful. If there is a certain type of man that you are attracted to and feel that you could perform with, AND if there is a type of woman that you also feel the same sort of attraction for and feel that you could perform with, then you are clearly bisexual.
Social attraction and sexual attraction are not the same thing. If you aren't clear on which is which, and you are indeed attracted to both men and women, then you are a bisexual. You are one of those rare individuals who does indeed get to choose.

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