Muslims and Pederasty

The Mossad? So I am supposed to believe that the Mossad has these tapes and all I have to do is call them up and they will ship me a copy? You think maybe the Mossad might be a bit of a bad source as proof of your claim?That pretty much answers it for me other than the fact that all you have is a propaganda piece. That also explains why I have never heard of a Palestianian who believed the junk you are spewing like vomit.The Mossad is about as reliable of a source on this matter as Bin Laden would be about judging the voting controversies in this country. How about this: If you want to defend the veracity of your arguments you had better damn well provide something more substantial than this piece of literary feces.And by the way. I don't hate you. I just hate your intollerance and ignorance.

Back this up very carefully, with good solid sources or you are in the boot camp.Do not post anywhere else untill you have succeeded in meeting this requirement.

Better?Quotes from Islam's Most Famous SpokesmanA man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate; sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister.Ayatollah KhomeiniIt is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.Ayatollah KhomeiniA man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.Ayatollah Khomeini
(Quotes above are from Khomeini's book, Tahrirolvasyleh, vol. 4, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990, Source: Homa)If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, an ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned.Ayatollah Khomeini(From The Little Green Book: Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Phylosophica, Social and Religious, with a special introduction by Clive Irving, ISBN number0-553-14032-9, page 47 Source: Homa)Eleven things are impure: urine, excrement, sperm...non-Moslem men and women...and the sweat of an excrement-eating camel.Ayatollah Khomeini(From The Little Green Book, Source: Harwood's Mythology's Last Gods, 175)

Helps a little?Quotes from Islam's Most Famous SpokesmanA man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate; sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister.Ayatollah KhomeiniIt is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.Ayatollah KhomeiniA man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.Ayatollah Khomeini
(Quotes above are from Khomeini's book, Tahrirolvasyleh, vol. 4, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990, Source: Homa)If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, an ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned.Ayatollah Khomeini(From The Little Green Book: Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Phylosophica, Social and Religious, with a special introduction by Clive Irving, ISBN number0-553-14032-9, page 47 Source: Homa)Eleven things are impure: urine, excrement, sperm...non-Moslem men and women...and the sweat of an excrement-eating camel.Ayatollah Khomeini(From The Little Green Book, Source: Harwood's Mythology's Last Gods, 175)

gosh I trembleEnjoyQuotes from Islam's Most Famous SpokesmanA man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate; sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister.Ayatollah KhomeiniIt is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.Ayatollah KhomeiniA man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.Ayatollah Khomeini
(Quotes above are from Khomeini's book, Tahrirolvasyleh, vol. 4, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990, Source: Homa)If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, an ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned.Ayatollah Khomeini(From The Little Green Book: Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Phylosophica, Social and Religious, with a special introduction by Clive Irving, ISBN number0-553-14032-9, page 47 Source: Homa)Eleven things are impure: urine, excrement, sperm...non-Moslem men and women...and the sweat of an excrement-eating camel.Ayatollah Khomeini(From The Little Green Book, Source: Harwood's Mythology's Last Gods, 175)

Your entire OP was about male on male, I'm missing the relevance of this post.

Yes, and I think both Hitler and Stalin had the support of the Catholic church at one time or another......meaning?Like we all have said.....provide support that this idea of pederasty is part of Islam AND was practiced by Arafat..Personally, I think your heading to Boot Camp....BUH BYE!!!This message has been edited by Taqless, 12-01-2004 04:45 PM

buh byeQuotes from Islam's Most Famous SpokesmanA man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate; sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister.Ayatollah KhomeiniIt is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.Ayatollah KhomeiniA man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.Ayatollah Khomeini
(Quotes above are from Khomeini's book, Tahrirolvasyleh, vol. 4, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990, Source: Homa)If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, an ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned.Ayatollah Khomeini(From The Little Green Book: Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Phylosophica, Social and Religious, with a special introduction by Clive Irving, ISBN number0-553-14032-9, page 47 Source: Homa)Eleven things are impure: urine, excrement, sperm...non-Moslem men and women...and the sweat of an excrement-eating camel.Ayatollah Khomeini(From The Little Green Book, Source: Harwood's Mythology's Last Gods, 175)

And this proves what you say about Arfat in which manner?

Those are quotes from a man not the Koran. I personally know hundreds of Arab Moslems who believe they would go to hell if they ever had sex with a baby or an animal.You however seem to have a problem with supporting your original claim. Are you religious? If so, where does hate and intollerance fit into your religion?You see, I have this religion and it is called Christianity. We believe that Christ is the son of God who came down to earth and taught us things like not to lie and to love our enemies like ourselves. I really think it might be something you should research because it has brought me quite a bit of joy in my life. You see, once you stop hating people, you can start loving life. The low blood pressure is great and I always have someone to talk to when I am lonely.

Hi Jazzns,George is a dyed in the wool, God fearing, Christ loving Christian. Can't you tell? Brian.

Your post deals with animals and girls...ONCE AGAIN, your original post dealt with pederasty and Arafat.....and then you painted Muslims in general. Put up or shut up!

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I searched for information why a known pederast such as arafat was allowed to flourish

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Source please.

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As for my preferred biases? Kindly wait until I inform you of what they are. Until then, your assumption is indicative of yours.

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You plainly are biased against homosexuality.

WorldNet Daily. Hmmm. Now there's an unbiased, reliable source on political matters.

I'm sort of confused what the purpose of this thread was supposed to be. The opening statement is... That's a non sequitur. Debate can be made on the validity of a couple of statements within the non argument. But predictably pedophilia got people hopping mad which is I'm sure more or less Pecos' intention. Mad at Islam and Arafat by way of guilt by association.Okay, so was Arafat a pederast? PG can't seem to get his story straight if it is boys or girls that count as traditional pederasty, and neither what Arafat was engaged in, if he did anything at all. The only source for validation that Arafat had sex with kids is a claim by a third party that Mossad has movies of Arafat having sex with children and if you ask any agent (this is something that is easy?) they will laugh (assuming that means yes).Given that Mossad would have incentive to smear Arafat, this does not look like a valid source at all. Indeed if they did have such movies, and they thought this was such a crime, why are they hanging on to this evidence/passing it around for laughs, instead of trying to being charges? If anything, this accusation smears Mossad more than Arafat as its agents appear to get off watching kiddieporn featuring Arafat.Then there is the question of Islam itself. Given that Islam is a religion that crosses many different cultures and consists of many different "denominations", it seems far fetched to claim that Islam and pederasty are linked.The original article discusses male-male pederasty which may very well have existed in tribes which happened to be muslim. Okay, so what? Pedophilia and polygamy was allowed in Xianity and judaism back then as well and has continued in some cultures right up till today. Most do not. The question would be how many arabic tribes back then still practice this today, and are they the entirety of Islam... even if they still existed they are patently not the entirety of Islam.Then he has quotes from Quran. They were misquotes. Nuff said.Then he has quotes from Khomeini. Let's assume they were true. K was not the lead spokesperson for Islam. He was a major leader for many muslims, but then Jerry Fallwell is a leader of many Xians... not all. Interestingly enough K seems to be speaking of a totally different kind of sexual contact allowed with children. It certainly is not what the first article describes. This underscores that different cultures and denominations share the religion of Islam.But let's say PG is right for a second about all of this. So what? How would their having different sexual norms set them up for criticism? Different cultures have different sexual norms, does that make one better than the next? Can they be judged that way? How is that criticism unlike someone coming on and saying Bush eats at Red Lobster? And Xians like a good pig roast?I am not seeing a point to the criticism except to say look at how weird they might be, because they act different than us. Gee go figure.This is just a slam job, and I'm kind of surprised no one has really challenged the idea that even if if he were right it would actually mean something was objectively wrong with Islam or Arafat.I was also taken aback by the Palestinian poster who tried to argue the good name of the Palestinian people by saying if they had found out Arafat was a pederast they would have dragged him into the street and killed him.Excuse me, but that is a more disturbing commentary on the state of a people's culture, than whether a guy has sex with kids. Unless of course you happen to view cold blooded killing as somehow "better" than sex. I hope not all Palestinians or muslims would agree with you. Though I guess you have also said you are Xian and live in the US so the stated mania makes a bit more sense.In the end this all seems like a nonissue. No coherent argument made for discussion. No good facts presented to support statements inside the non sequitur. And in the end, even if the statements were true, there is no real moral implication to be made off of this except of cultural differences.So why am I writing? Oh... uhmmmm. Okay nevermind.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)