Discrimination against homosexuals carried into the 21st century

Everything said so far on this thread and others about "gay marriage" are OPINIONS. Nothing else. In a democracy opinion rules if it gains a majority vote. So take a public vote on same-sex "narriage" and see what you get. What could be more democratic than that? But DON'T tell me that a minority opinion has special rights just because it's an opinion. These things are basic, folks. Why are they so difficult for perfectly intelligent people to grasp?”Hoot

Nobody is telling you that.What we're trying to tell you is that minority people have the same rights, regardless of the majority opinion.Majority opinion can not vote away basic human rights.Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?

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Except for the part where I quoted you the relevant law that guarantees equal treatment for all citizens, and cited legal precedents so you could see how that law applies to this exact situation.Then, of course, there was that part where Taz posted links to medical studies that pissed on your opinions about choice.But yes... if you go ahead and ignore all that, I suppose you could call what's left "opinion."Except for the business about you being exactly like a bigoted version of Ralph Wiggum. That's just objective fact. Cool. But since we have to treat all citizens equally, when do you want to schedule the vote on your "marriage?"Thursday's good for me.Edited by Dan Carroll, : Grammar costs nothing

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Denying inheritance rights is an opinion?Denying someone the right to donate blood is an opinion?Denying someone access to health care is an opinion?Denying someone access to equal protection under the law is an opinion?

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I wonder why not a single court of law has upheld the rights of gays to get "married." Could it be that they are bigots, too, and go home at night and beat their slaves? Or could it be that the law just does not provide for same-sex "marriages"?”Hoot Mon

I dunno. Why didn't the courts begin to protect the rights of black people until the 1950s, even though the main purpose of the 14th amendment (ratified in the 1860s) was explicitly to protect those rights? I bet the answers are similar.

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If you ignore all those courts in Massachusetts, then yeah... I guess not a single court has ever done so.Either way, Chiroptera covered it, Ralph. "We've been fucking this minority over for ages" is not a reason to keep doing so.

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Obviously they're not. Why haven't all the states approved same-sex-marriage rights under their laws? Where is the support for it in the U.S. Congress. Why haven't all the liberal Democrats come out in force for same-sex marriage? Maybe it's not a question of "civil rights" at all. There must be some reason other than bigotry that prevents the gays from marrying each other. It doesn't seem to me like the majority of OPINIONS expreessed here are very popular on the American stage.Ringo, a question: Does Canuckistan provide for same-sex marriages under its laws?”Hoot Mon

Why? It seems to me that bigotry could be powerful enough. Did you have something else in mind? For the record: This is noted. It has been refuted. Please stop pointing at the bigotry of the majority as if it somehow excuses your own.

So the United states is a nation of bigots?

Yes it does.

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Short answer: Yes.Longer answer.We abolished slavery before you guys too.

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I'm not sure that calling the US a nation of bigots is that far wrong. The whole nation is not bigoted but a significant portion of the US population is bigoted, racist and very, very ignorant, particularly a large portion of Christianity.Also, is there some reason you are avoiding responding to Message 289?

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I think it's undoubtable that the United States has bigots within its population. Which makes it a nation at least partially comprised of bigots. Do you disagree with this?

Jesus Scooter Christ, no!