So difficult to keep up! (Re: Memeber of the religious right running morally amuck)

well apparently, it does. does the word "run-off" mean anything to you? clearly, you cannot read.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

The rectum DOES lubricate. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to pass stool. That's already been mentioned earlier in the thread. In fact, while some girls like to give themselves an enema before anal sex fro additional cleanliness, this is actually ill-advised as it will also clean out the natural lubrication, making anal sex more difficult. Did that REALLY go so far over your head? That's the point - if procreation is the justification for sex, then post-menopausal or infertile women (or men who've had vasectomies, or even using birth control!) are also just as immoral as homosexual sex. If those things are NOT immoral, then the justification is clearly NOT procreation, and therefor homosexual sex is also not immoral by that standard.Heterosexual sex involves consenting adults seeking sexual pleasure. Homosexual sex is exactly the same thing.

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Mr Jack responds to me:

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I think it's quite obvious that the penis and vagina are co-evolved for sexual reproduction, whereas as the anus and penis aren't

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Nobody is denying that.But who said sex was only for reproduction? Need you be reminded that humans, unlike the vast majority of mammals, don't go into estrus? They are receptive to sex throughout the year.Where did this idea come from that sex was only for reproduction? And if it's for more than reproduction, why are certain types of non-procreative sex "natural" while the others are "unnatural"?No, you're not going to get pregnant from oral sex.You're going to have fun, though (or, at least, you're gonna try.)

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Further, your line of argument, Rrhain, that people's enjoyment of anal sex implies some kind of "design" is absurd.

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Thus showing you completely missed the point. NJ's argument is that the vagina can hold the penis. Therefore, by his logic, that means that vaginal sex is "natural."But the rectum not only holds the penis, it is much more accommodating: If the penis is larger than the vaginal canal, you're going to run into the cervix. The rectum doesn't have that cap (though the lower flexion can be problematic).Thus, if NJ is going to insist upon saying that vaginal sex is good because of the way the penis fits into the vagina, then anal sex must be even better because it fits into the rectum better.It's good that you find the argument ridiculous: That was the point. I'm trying to show that NJ's argument actually works against his conclusion.

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

This topic has gone from bad to worse! Are there no scruples concerning what we talk about around here?

Nemesis Juggernaut responds to crashfrog:

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Because if you allege that people are inherently born gay, then you would inexorably have to say similar things about pedophiles, cutters, zoophiles, or any psychological condition.

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Then be specific:Exactly when and how did you choose to be straight? And what would it take for you to choose the other way? Is it just that you haven't found the right man? What kind of man turns you on? Is it the big, hairy bears or the hairless, blond twinks? Do you get off on the raw masculinity of a man's strength? Or is it just the feel of his penis that you just can't stop thinking about? Something about the smell of a man?After all, being straight is just as much of a "psychological condition" as being gay.

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What gives the right to voice your opinion on the matter over my opinion?

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Because he considers his opinion to be just that: An opinion.You want to turn yours into law.

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Using whip cream on people as some kind of aphrodisiac is not a sexual act in and of itself, anymore than wearing lingerie is a sexual act.

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What a restrictive, stunted sex life you have. If you can't see the sexuality involved in putting something on your partner's body and then licking it off, you really have no imagination.

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How is whip cream a sexual act, whereas anal sex isn't?

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You're confused. He's saying that if you're not going to consider pouring whipped cream over your partner's body and erotically licking it off to be sex, then you have to say that anal activity also isn't sex.Hint: Sexual activity doesn't necessarily require the involvement of a genital organ.A rimjob is sex. No genitals involved.

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Its just a prop that some people use in conjunction with the act.

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You're missing the point: The act is the use of the whipped cream for sexual purposes.Is a penis a sex act? Of course not. It's just a prop that some people use in conjunction with the act.That's why it's called an "act," NJ: It's an active verb. You have to actually do something with it in order for it to be sex. Whipped cream sitting in a carton in the refrigerator isn't a sex act.Dipping your partner's finger in whipped cream and erotically licking it off is.

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But enjoying something isn't the acid test for figuring out what is good.

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In and of itself? Of course not. After all, if I enjoy doing something to you but you don't, then it isn't good for me to do it no matter how much I enjoy it, so let's assume that all participants enjoy it. That still isn't sufficient, but it's a first step. The next step is, "Is anybody getting hurt?" No? Then you're going to be hard pressed to justify why it's bad.

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I'd call it reckless.

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Why? There are other things you consider just fine that are much more problematic. Why are you engaged in special pleading?

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It's because liberals are simply better people, Democrats are usually better people.

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Is this an objective fact?

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Acutally, yes. F'rinstance, the state with the lowest divorce rate is that "ultra-liberal" state of Massachusetts. The states with the highest divorce rates? The conservative South. Atheists are much less likely to get divorced than evangelicals. In fact, evangelicals are among the most likely to get divorced.Education, wealth, societal support, the liberals have it all over the conservatives.

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In prison? In prison for what?

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For being a conservative. Why else?

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Craig wasn't arrested for "being a conservative" unless you are claiming that trying to engage public sex in the men's room is part of the definition of "being a conservative."

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If I'm obsessing over "anal sex," and "homosexuality," then what are you doing????? Think it through, Crash.

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You seriously don't understand the difference between having an extreme reaction to something that doesn't affect you in any way and having that reaction to something that does?Other people's sex lives don't affect yours. You working to intrude upon other people's sex lives affects them.Worrying about the former is an obsession. Worrying about the latter is defense.

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

As long as there are no scruples about what kind of misinformation, untruths and propaganda people want to post about, there'll be no scruples about explicitly discussing the nature of the misinformation, and refuting the propaganda and pointing out the untruths and inconsistencies.Unfortunately for your sensibilities - people have made a lot of money by lying about sex, and a lot of people have believed those lies...and EvC is filled with the kind of people that believe in the truth, and want to make sure other people are not blind to it.

Nemesis Juggernaut responds to brennakimi:

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The vagina lubricates. The anus does not.

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Yes, it does. You wouldn't be able to pass stool if it didn't.And rectal lubrication increases during sexual activity.

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What do mean by the "same glands" when they very evidently don't?

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You're missing the point: The lubrication glands for the vagina do not reside in the vagina but rather externally. If they produce fluid, that fluid is not going to stay in the vagina but will leak out. Since the anus is near the vagina, it is not surprising to find the external anal sphincter to be lubricated with fluid excreted by the vaginal glands.Please try to keep up.

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if sex is meant for procreation and the justification for intercourse is sufficient lubrication, then, yes, that would mean that a post-menopausal woman's vagina is not an appropriate vessel.

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Post-menopausal women don't procreate, which makes it a moot point either way.

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Incorrect. That is precisely the point.If it's perfectly natural for a post-menopausal woman to have vaginal sex even though she isn't producing any lubrication, then why are you using special pleading when it comes to anal sex?Especially since the anus does produce lubrication. If it didn't, you wouldn't be able to pass stool. And, in fact, the lubrication increases during sexual activity.

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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This topic has gone from bad to worse! Are there no scruples concerning what we talk about around here?

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Phat, people die from the falsehoods NJ has propagated.Which is more important: Your delicate sensibilities or somebody's life?

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

That would make sense but for the fact that there are no significant physiological difference in the design on the rectum and anus in humans and in mammals that don't engage in recreational sex.

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That would make sense but for the fact that there are no significant physiological difference in the design on the rectum and anus in humans and in mammals that don't engage in recreational sex.

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Oh? When was the last time anybody really looked into the sexual response of the rectum in other animals?Gay males in other animals do engage in anal sex....

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Nator, can I close this? It seems to be drifting quite rapidly.

Phat, we all know that you hate sex, hence your celibacy, but why must you insist that the rest of us should hate sex as well?

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He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!

What, exactly, is it drifting from?It started out as an article about "weird sex". People like Nemesis_Juggernaut think homosexuality is "weird sex", so that's where the topic has gone.Are you suggesting that the topic should be restricted to the "weird" sexual tastes of that one man?

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Nator, can I close this? It seems to be drifting quite rapidly.

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No.If I think it should be closed, I can close it myself.