[QUOTE]Originally posted by axial soliton:
You and me both, man!
Their world view must have been to not rock the boat.
This is pure speculation. How can you know what their world view was? Or why they stopped expanding where they did?
would not allow themselves to adapt to the cockroach philosophy that humans seem to use so well.
More baseless speculation. You cannot know that they 'would not allow themselves' to do anything. Could have been that they tried and failed.
People who develop their world view after deep abstract thought do not necessarily care what the world is doing around them.
Fine. But you cannot apply this to Neandarthal. You cannot know the contents of their minds. That information is for the most part lost to us. We have burials. We infer some kind of religion/supernatural belief, but that is about all we can infer; and I am uncomfortable even with that.
Neanderthals were abstract thinkers 53kya that we know of.
I think you are referring to the musical instruments that Joe has pointed out were a joke. Even if they were not a joke, it doesn't imply abstract thought. Music -- the making of and the listening to-- is largely emotional. Watch how little kids will hum and make noise. Voila-- music, or proto-music. No abstract thought involved.
I speculate the Neanderthal could not survive on their own because humans in the valley compete for what food remains and play dirty politics, besides.
Reasonable enough, but humans need not necessarily have been involved in the end of the Neandarthal.
Since canabalism is well documented in human history, why not consider it under these circumstances?
But not as a staple food supply. Cannibalism is actually pretty rare and when culturally accepted has a great deal of theology and ritual associated with it.
After all, the Neanderthal are not us, who cares if there is one less?
This doesn't mean that humans would have eaten the N's (tired of typing that word). Humans are pretty weird about what they eat. Culture determines what is edible or not. Think about all the things around you that aren't food, but are edible-- cats, dogs, horses, roaches, crickets, children, pigeons....
It takes some insight, analysis, and smart use of data to figure out which way to migrate and how to adapt.
We aren't talking catastrphic change of environment when viewed from a human perspective. The change occurs over many generations. I don't see that it would take a genius to follow the food supply and the warm weather.
This is bad news for the slow human thinkers.
Remember, these slow human thinkers are virtually identical to humans 2002.
I am thinking that when the climate takes from one area, it gives to another.
No. Climate cannot be modeled as simplistically as that.
I mean American football.
ewwww.... sports! Icky!
It does not seem reasonable to me that the Neanderthal died out with the last woman starving to death on a hill overlooking the Atlantic in Portugal. It is more likely that humans and Neanderthal coexisted until the end.
Agreed. This is exactly what I said.
Coexistence in human terms means that our ancestors used the Neanderthal to benefit themselves.
No it doesn't. We haven't 'used' the California Condor, for example. Coexistence does not imply slavery of one to the other. You need more evidence for this claim.
I have found numerous references to Neanderthal art and music once I figured out how to look for it.
See Joe's post.
Water erosion of the sphinx is an interesting question.
Take a look at this picture of a yardang.
[quote]It is hard to believe that Cheops was the only pharoah without an ego. There was no burial chamber in this pyramid, as I recall. The sarcophagus found in other pyramids was missing here. Hard to believe thieves stole a stone box. To put the picture together requires looking at all that was going on in a time period.
This is a link that creationists will not like:
Very interesting links. Thankie.
[This message has been edited by John, 08-10-2002]
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