Israel/Lebanon/Gaza conflict (continuation thread)

First thing I noticed at your NY Times link was the headline Jeepers, really, no leftist bias in the media? Sure sounds to me like they're insinuiating Israel simply went back on its word.How come they don't say WHY Israel is not going to go with the ceasefire, huh?NO MENTION THAT HEZBOLLAH BROKE THE SUPPOSED CEASEFIRE BY BOMBING AN ISRAELI TANK. First line of the story just makes it seem worse. Israel goes back on its word and is even going to get harsher.NO MENTION OF THE REASON WHY. Anything to make Israel look bad. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The Arabs are Semites too. You're selectively anti-Semitic.

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READ IN CONTEXT. THE CONTEXT IS THAT ISRAEL IS NOT BOMBARDING LEBANON. THEIR STRIKES ARE CONFINED TO THE HEZBOLLAH POSITIONS. What is Hezbollah doing near civilians? Why isn't Hezbollah arranging to evacuate them or protect them? Why are you defending these terrorists?

Resolutions breached by Israel:Resolution 106: "... 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid"
Resolution 111: "...'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
Resolution 127: "...'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"
Resolution 162: "...'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions"
Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"
Resolution 228: "...'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
Resolution 237: "...'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
Resolution 242: "..."affirms" need for Israel to withdraw from illegally occupied territory
Resolution 248: "... 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
Resolution 250: "... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
Resolution 251: "... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
Resolution 252: "...'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
Resolution 256: "... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation""
Resolution 259: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
Resolution 262: "...'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
Resolution 265: "... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
Resolution 267: "...'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 270: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
Resolution 271: "...'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
Resolution 279: "...'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 280: "....'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 285: "...'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
Resolution 298: "...'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 313: "...'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 316: "...'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 317: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
Resolution 332: "...'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 337: "...'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"
Resolution 347: "...'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 425: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 427: "...'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon'
Resolution 444: "...'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
Resolution 446: "...'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 450: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
Resolution 452: "...'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
Resolution 465: "...'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"
Resolution 467: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"
Resolution 468: "...'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
Resolution 469: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians"
Resolution 471: "... 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 476: "... 'reiterates' that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'"
Resolution 478: "...'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"
Resolution 484: "...'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
Resolution 487: "...'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility"
Resolution 497: "...'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
Resolution 498: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
Resolution 501: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
Resolution 509: "...'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
Resolution 515: "...'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
Resolution 517: "...'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 518: "...'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
Resolution 520: "...'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut"
Resolution 573: "...'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
Resolution 587: "...'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
Resolution 592: "...'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
Resolution 605: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
Resolution 607: "...'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
Resolution 608: "...'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 636: "...'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
Resolution 641: "...'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 672: "...'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
Resolution 673: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
Resolution 681: "...'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 694: "...'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
Resolution 726: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 799: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.etc., etc., etc.http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/30481Edited by Nighttrain, : Added source

Yes, the list of UN's shame, their biased decisions against the party acting in self defense.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

WHY AREN'T YOU ASKING WHY THE TERRORISTS LOCATE THEMSELVES AMONG INNOCENT PEOPLE AND YELLING AT THEM INSTEAD OF AT ISRAEL??

And the subtitle mentions "criminals".I asked you in another thread: If the terrorists are criminals, why are they not treated like criminals?In civilized countries, criminals are pursued by police, not by the military. If they escape across the border, they are extradited, not shelled. And the police go out of their way to protect civilians.

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You are just playing with words. The question really IS why aren't they being treated as criminals? The entire world should be treating them as criminals.

Then you agree that Israel should be treating them like criminals. The way criminals are treated is: we do not kill innocent civilians to catch criminals.

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No, Faith, as per usual, you have all back to front. The Palestinians were dispossessed. They are the party acting in self-defence. Try doing a little research instead of lapping up propaganda. Read a little of ben Gurion`s attitudes towards the land-holders. David Ben-Gurion-A Brief Biography & Quotes - Palestine RememberedMore in the same vein there if you want it. Notice further on how attitudes changed, but the underlying belief of the migrating Jews was that it was Palestinian country first.BTW, Shabtai Teveth was an official biographer.

I wonder if we will ever see the day when citizens such as Israelis or Lebanese can initiate a class-action suit in the World Court against those who have destroyed their families and properties. Surely every country has enough assets overseas to be frozen as compensation. Oh, look, there goes another porker flying overhead.

The headline makes no difference to the point I was trying to make in my post. The link was provided in order to direct you towards an interactive map since it cannot be directly linked to. I didn't specify that, though I intended to, so I will go back and correct that.I am not defending the NYTimes by saying this, but there was no ceasefire as you claim. Israel decided to halt their airstrikes for 48 hours. and Olmert himself said that this was in no way a ceasefire. There was also no consultation or agreement to a ceasefire on Hezbollah's part.As for the bombing of the tank, CNN confirms that a tank was fired upon on Monday, but neither they, nor MSNBC, nor Jerusalem Post, nor Haaretz.com make any mention of that the resumption of air strikes was due to that particular bombing. I would like to know where you heard that since two of the leading Israeli news sources neglected to mention that "fact."The headline is slightly deceptive, I agree, because there were exceptions to the lull agreement, including defense from imminent threat and the like, but the article does go into great detail about the issues. The headline is not the news.

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If you say that one "so and so" member lives in this building, you have to go after that person, not say, "well we killed 200 women and children in the process, but "WE GOT HIM!"

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WHY AREN'T YOU ASKING WHY THE TERRORISTS LOCATE THEMSELVES AMONG INNOCENT PEOPLE AND YELLING AT THEM INSTEAD OF AT ISRAEL??

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No need to yell, Faith.I've already answered this, but I will say it again. If Israel wants to claim the moral high ground, they need to act accordingly.One of the reasons that Hezbollah operates around civilians is that they know that Israell will strike back and when they do hit a civilian target, world opinion will sway against them. That much we agree on.My point is that Israel should stop playing their game. It's unnecessary and horrible, it only makes them look bad and when done repeatedly it gives everyone else the impression that they just don't give a shit. Israel needs to do the noble thing and go in and attack with ground forces in tanks and their infamous armored bulldozers so that they don't keep "accidentally" hitting civilian and neutral targets. Yes, ground forces would probably mean more Israeli military casualties, but a "civilized" nation does everything in its power to avoid civilian casualties. This would help. It's not a perfect solution , but it is the "moral" thing to do. Go in. Pinpoint the specific targets. Destroy them. Capture and try any combatants. I say capture because any "martyrs" whether they be civilian or combatant only add to the ranks of the terrorists. It's a never ending cycle and, IMO, something else needs to be done altogether.

I wasn't talking about the "true cause", I was merely saying that violence is never a solution, and that it's a shame they don't recognize that, on both sides, after all those years. If the Israelis have any moral fibre left in them, they do not shell positions where there may be children or other innocent civilians in the line of fire, no matter what. There is no excuse. I am not equating criminals with innocents. I only think that executing people is a very primitive way of dealing with problems. If executing criminals serves to promote peace in the world, then why is there no peace? That's just another naive idea. People have been executed since the dawn of mankind, so you'd think there would have to be peace by now. Well, the truth of the matter is that there isn't. So executing people isn't working very well for the promotion of peace, is it?

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

You guys don't live in the real world. Parasomnium, Nighttrain, Ringo, Jaderis. I give up.Here's a real solution. Cadres and legions of Christians from all over the world, but especially America, should be going into both Lebanon and Israel and all over the Middle East. By the thousands. Under heavy prayer cover. To help anyone who needs it, Christian or Muslim or Jew, and to preach the gospel of salvation in Christ alone. They will probably die like flies, butchered by the terrorists, possibly killed by friendly fire as well. But that's what it's going to take to change the situation. I will now stop arguing and start praying.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.