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AdminBuzsaw Inactive Member |
Jar, I suggest that if you wish to address the evils of Christianity in the world relative to Christ's message and what is considered blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, you open a thread on that topic. It is not the topic of this thread.
Abe: If you wish to dispute this admin action please take it to the Moderation forum. Thanks. Edited by AdminBuzsaw, : No reason given.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
So - one of your sources has said things which are demonstratably false, but you still trust them because they share the same biases as you...or 'The way they report it is the way I see it.'
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm sorry, what is demonstrably false? I stop reading after a while and probably missed it.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I'm sorry, what is demonstrably false? I stop reading after a while and probably missed it. The bit where they said 'Annan refuses to do x', which is not true since Annan does not refuse to do it all. Annan has condemned anti-Israel terrorism on a number of occasions.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The bit where they said 'Annan refuses to do x', which is not true since Annan does not refuse to do it all. Annan has condemned anti-Israel terrorism on a number of occasions. So the truth is that I disagreed with you about the supposed "demonstrated proof." Sure, literally sometimes he puts the words together that seem to say he condemns anti-Israel terrorism, as so many do, but it's just lip service. All the media do the same, dutifully mouthing the words from time to time, same as everybody here does too. But in practical reality, terrorism is put on an equal footing with Israel's defensive position, treated as a legitimate cause. Sympathy is in their direction, not Israel's, and it is Israel that is far and away the one preponderantly rebuked by the UN for its defensive actions. What condemning anti-Israel terrorism would REALLY look like would be proclaiming it in believable tones, calling on the world to condemn it, and backing it up with threats that are followed up with action. If they did that honestly, the list of UN rebukes of the terrorists would at least equal the list for Israel, because for every rebuke of Israel there is a terrorist action -- or a dozen of them -- that provoked the rebuked action by Israel but went unrebuked itself. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
The difference between Hezbollah and Hamas etc and Israel, is that Israel is a member state of the UN. If Annan condemns Israel's actions more it is because they should be held to higher standards than murdering terrorists.
That said, the JVL were clearly not telling the whole truth. Their obvious bias meant that they omitted material facts about the situation and said something which is basically false. Annan does condemn terrorism - just because he condemns members of the UN more does not change the fact that he condemns terrorism. To use your own opinion on his sincerity is called bias. Just because you don't believe him does not mean that he does not condemn them.
Source July -- The Secretary-General once again condemns the firing of rockets from Gaza into Israel, such as the one which struck a school in the town of Ashkelon yesterday. He also calls again on the Government of Israel to refrain from actions that amount to collective punishment of Palestinian civilians, and to ensure delivery of fuel, commodities and other essentials into Gaza. The situation is dangerous and could be explosive. The Secretary-General urges all concerned to step back from the brink. Elsewhere on the site:
Zarqawi's death removes ”heinous and dangerous man' Security Council, Annan condemn attack on Russian Embassy employees in Baghdad Annan strongly condemns latest mosque bombings in Iraq Annan condemns latest suicide bombing in Iraq, urges national unity Dismayed by kidnappings in Iraq, Annan calls for release of all those abducted
No country can claim to have a perfect human rights record. And so, I hope we are not going to see a situation where the Human Rights Commission focuses on Israel, the record of its - but not on the others. We've also indicated that they should start by reviewing the records of the members of the Council itself, and so I hope we are moving away from this selectivity and politicization of the review mechanism of the Commission.
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While noting that the Palestinian Authority has condemned violence, the Quartet further urges it to maintain law and order and dismantle terrorist capabilities and infrastructure, and reaffirms the continued importance of comprehensive security sector reform. You don't have to believe him, you can think him insincere, but that doesn't mean that you should report as fact that he has not condemned terrorism even when it is against Israel.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The insincerity is obvious in the actions. You interpret them differently because of YOUR bias. What you are calling a "material fact" is nothing but empty words. But again that's my bias. And again, the only right thing to do is STOP THE TERRORISM, and that is not happening. All that is happening is that the only nations TRYING to stop the terrorism are being condemned for it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Another piece of pure bias that I believe to be the truth.
FrontPageMagazine.com | August 1, 2006 By Alan M. DershowitzSunday was a day of great triumph for Hezbollah quote: Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1303 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
faith writes: Here's a real solution. Cadres and legions of Christians from all over the world, but especially America, should be going into both Lebanon and Israel and all over the Middle East. By the thousands. Under heavy prayer cover. To help anyone who needs it, Christian or Muslim or Jew, and to preach the gospel of salvation in Christ alone. They will probably die like flies, butchered by the terrorists, possibly killed by friendly fire as well. But that's what it's going to take to change the situation. I will now stop arguing and start praying. well.. there you have it folks, forget diplomacy, forget Human rights, what we need is thousands of prayer-ninjas, working under "prayer cover" (?) You are right faith, they will be butchered, bombed, and become victims of friendly fire. For the 'Prayer cover' you speak of will be as useful as a choclate teapot. I am becoming more and more convinced that you are a troll... or perhaps an evo spouting pure lunacy in order to provoke debate. ABE: I have to ask... why "Especially America"? Edited by Creavolution, : No reason given.
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clpMINI Member (Idle past 5185 days) Posts: 116 From: Richmond, VA, USA Joined: |
Killing MURDEROUS CRIMINALS is a righteous act. If, while attempting to kill these MUDEROUS CRIMINALS, you inadvertently kill 60 or so innocent women and children, is it still a righteous act? Is there an acceptable number of innocent people you can kill, as long as you were aiming at the bad guys?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Another totally biased piece, by a Christian Lebanese woman
Lebanese Diversity on the Line By Brigitte GabrielFrontPageMagazine.com | August 1, 2006 quote: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
Faith writes: You guys don't live in the real world. Parasomnium, Nighttrain, Ringo, Jaderis. I give up. Come on Faith, that's too easy. What's so other-worldly about denouncing violence as a solution to a problem? Or about thinking that shelling positions with children in the vicinity, no matter how the situation arose, is morally questionable, to say the least? Or about thinking that executing people is not a good way of making progress as a society? Whatever happened to "Thou shalt not kill"?
Here's a real solution. Cadres and legions of Christians from all over the world, but especially America, should be going into both Lebanon and Israel and all over the Middle East. By the thousands. Under heavy prayer cover. As solutions go, it might indeed be better than the current war in southern Lebanon. I imagine a Lebanese father shouting to his wife and children: "Look out! Incoming prayer!" and the wife replying: "Mwah..." But anyway, if it's a solution, I'm not entirely sure what problem it's a solution to. The surplus of American Christians? The lack of suitable targets for suicide bombers? To give the flies some respite from dying like themselves? I don't want to insult anyone, but "heavy prayer cover" sounds a lot more not-of-this-world than anything I've seen in this thread so far. Besides, it's exactly that kind of thinking - the religious fundamentalist kind of thinking - which is causing the problems in the first place.
I will now stop arguing and start praying. Like I said, that's too easy. Anyway, if I know you a little, you're not going to stop arguing. "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin. Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You guys don't live in the real world. Parasomnium, Nighttrain, Ringo, Jaderis. I give up.
Come on Faith, that's too easy. What's so other-worldly about denouncing violence as a solution to a problem? So you're Israel, and you refuse to retaliate against Hezbollah, or against Hamas or any of them. You throw down your arms. What is going to happen in your very very wise and indeed prescient opinion? Actually, as soon as I said it I have to admit there was something daringly exciting about it. I only wish I didn't know what would happen. Now if they threw down their weapons and put their trust in the God of Israel, THEN something wonderful would happen. Unfortunately Israel, for all its supposed Zionist inspiration, is a secular atheist state. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
Faith writes: So you're Israel, and you refuse to retaliate against Hezbollah, or against Hamas or any of them. You throw down your arms. What is going to happen in your very very wise and indeed prescient opinion? You're gaining the praise of the rest of the world for your restraint, Hezbollah is going to get very bad press, they will lose the popular support of their own people, and in the end they will give up their weapons. It's happened before, it can happen again. On the other hand, if the violence continues, things might soon get out of hand and before you know it, you're looking at a full-scale war in the Middle East. Syria is joining in, next Iran, then Saudi-Arabia. Israel has nuclear weapons, who's to say they are not going to deploy them? How much damage are you going to accept in order to eradicate terrorism? And will you ever be able to completely eradicate terrorism by violent means? Israel may be able to obliterate all of its neighbours, but the world is larger than that. What about all the other muslims in the Ummah? In Indonesia and elsewhere? Do you think they'll keep quiet when they see their brethren slaughtered by Israel "and the West"? Because that's how they'll see it. Believe me, the only sensible way for the world to get out of this mess is to stop the violence and talk, talk, talk. "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin. Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?
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