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Doddy
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Message 46 of 58 (400217)
05-11-2007 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by RAZD
05-11-2007 7:58 AM


Re: someone stole my idea?
Wouldn't really need to be a suit then, would it. Just a plug into your midbrain or something.

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Message 47 of 58 (400232)
05-11-2007 10:32 AM
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05-11-2007 8:26 AM


Re: someone stole my idea?
Wouldn't really need to be a suit then, would it. Just a plug into your midbrain or something.
Much more difficult in practice and current technology than a suit that would induce feelings in nerves throughout the body and allow one to activate muscles in response - the whole chemical interaction. Less things to go wrong with bad connections too. We already see the effects of induced currents with the God-Helmet.

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Message 48 of 58 (400237)
05-11-2007 12:20 PM
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05-11-2007 8:26 AM


Speaking of woman suits
Just a plug into your midbrain or something.
It puts the plug into its midbrain or else it gets the hose again!
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Doddy
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Message 49 of 58 (400257)
05-11-2007 7:10 PM
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Re: someone stole my idea?
Would that be feasible with the cranial nerves as well, such as the optic nerve?

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Message 50 of 58 (400262)
05-11-2007 7:34 PM
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05-11-2007 7:10 PM


Re: someone stole my idea?
Would that be feasible with the cranial nerves as well, such as the optic nerve?
Skip the optic nerve and just write directly to the visual cortex. That's what the existing systems do.

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Message 51 of 58 (400285)
05-11-2007 9:47 PM
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05-11-2007 12:20 PM


Re: Speaking of woman suits
quote:
It puts the plug into its midbrain or else it gets the hose again!
ROTFLMAO!!

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Doddy
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Message 52 of 58 (400308)
05-12-2007 1:41 AM
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05-11-2007 7:34 PM


Re: someone stole my idea?
That's certainly the best way if you are doing vision only, but if you want the rest of the sensations of smell, sound, taste etc, then it would be easier to plug into the area of the midbrain where all the cranial nerves are found in one spot, rather than across the entire brain (postfrontal gyrus for touch, temporal lobe for hearing etc)

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crashfrog
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Message 53 of 58 (400309)
05-12-2007 1:47 AM
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05-12-2007 1:41 AM


Re: someone stole my idea?
That's certainly the best way if you are doing vision only, but if you want the rest of the sensations of smell, sound, taste etc, then it would be easier to plug into the area of the midbrain where all the cranial nerves are found in one spot, rather than across the entire brain (postfrontal gyrus for touch, temporal lobe for hearing etc)
Yeah, but it's not just a transmission issue; it's an issue of transmitting the right signals. Translation. As it is, we know a lot more about how sensations are mapped to the proper areas of the brain than we do about how sensations are encoded and transmitted along nerve fibers.
Plus it's not clear how to "tap" into nerve bundles without severing them and rendering the subject paralyzed, but it's easy enough to drop an array of microelectrodes across the cerebrum to stimulate the proper regions.

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Doddy
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Message 54 of 58 (400312)
05-12-2007 4:54 AM
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05-12-2007 1:47 AM


Re: someone stole my idea?
crashfrog writes:
Plus it's not clear how to "tap" into nerve bundles without severing them and rendering the subject paralyzed...
I know. I intend to do the research for my honours year on precisely that problem.

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Message 55 of 58 (400326)
05-12-2007 9:05 AM
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05-12-2007 1:47 AM


Re: someone stole my idea? or other suitable comments
Yeah, but it's not just a transmission issue; it's an issue of transmitting the right signals.
That is the issue, and it gets right down to the fine motor control muscle nerves as well as the sensory nerves. You feel your body movements. The problem is not just to map sensations -- hearing is easy, vision all you need is goggles -- but to map the sensation of gravity and inertia and the interplay of movement.
The easiest way I can see to do that is to induce currents in nerves throughout the body, so that you can control the area being impinged.
You would also likely get a good workout rather than sit on a couch in some ship deep in ... oops thats channeling Matrix ...
Plus you have available technology rather than unknown stuff. I would see it being marketed as a high-end gaming suit, an interactive porno suit and a device for scientific study, learning how to make those higher connections.
I also thought about it as a means to take virtual tours of other places. In another version story to protag is a gamer who is contacted by a friend to visit "Jerusalem" -- this occurs after a dirty atom bomb has made the place too radioactive for people, so they don suits to visit while archaeological research and reconstruction are going on. The kicker is that if you go as a jew, christian, muslim or scientist the "Jerusalem" you visit is different. The suits here map to motions of robots doing the actual work, touring etc.
Enjoy.
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Message 56 of 58 (400580)
05-15-2007 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Heathen
02-27-2007 11:04 AM


All Creos design their avatars to look Like Jesus, all evos design their avatars to look like Darwin...
Ding ding!
Round one, Darwin and Creo come out of their corners. Darwin takes the first swing, and WHAM! lands creo with a blow to the cheek...wait a miintue, what's this??? Creo is actually turning the other cheek, taunting Darwin to hit him again!!!!.....and hold-on what's this??? Creo has just pulled out a tunic, and offers it up to Darwin....unbelievable, you just don't see this kind of action anymore, right Marv?
Marv: unless you are mother Theresa...
Hold-on again....what's this? Darwin has just evolved into a black moth, and the wind currents are carrying him away...
Marv: YES!

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Message 57 of 58 (401330)
05-19-2007 7:58 AM


and just to think we all evolved from a single cell...maybe planton...then into more cells...a fish perhaps...then a bird...then a flying monkey...then an ape...to a man...evolution is amazing.

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Message 58 of 58 (404214)
06-07-2007 10:25 AM


The Onion takes notice.
And now from the Onion.
quote:
"Since I've never been too interested in inventory tracking, accounting, or interacting with people except inside a complex computer simulation, running this simulated coffee shop has been the greatest experience of my life."
Heh.

Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine

  
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