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Author Topic:   Is Bestiality Wrong?
ikabod
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Message 14 of 170 (414950)
08-07-2007 5:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
08-06-2007 2:36 PM


currently i would say yes it is morally wrong .. BUT thats based on current morallity ( as i am aware of it )...
next you need to ask does eveyone agree with the current morallity ..... i mean talk to my grandfather and he will say having any debt apart from a morgage is immoral , only bad people live off credit .... he has same opinion of benifit payments as well ..only the morally weak take handouts ..however he has no problem with Page 3 in the Sun ( uk newpaper with bare chested ladies on page 3 , every day !)
So morallity may change its collective mind ....
IF there was a genetic predisposition to beastiality , then you would have to ask the moral question does that make it right .. we then see debate in which morallity will chosse its own route , any facts aside ...
it may answer .. still immoral but forgive the poor afflicted
or will if its a natural urge go ahead ..and /or well yes but only if the animal shows the same type of genetic predisposition to "humaniality"
given our passed record on whats moral it could be any thing .. however i do think more people "love" in the sense like /respect /care for animals, more that thoswho want to have sex with them , and those views will continue to make it morally wrong ..

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ikabod
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Message 18 of 170 (414967)
08-07-2007 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Straggler
08-07-2007 9:36 AM


Ok. But does that mean morality is (or should be) a majority decision?
If enough people believe that something is right does that make it morally acceptable?
Sureley there is (or should be) some rational basis for what is considered moral and what is not?
i think a active working moral system has to be at a minimum the compromise the majority accepts .. which is why i cannot see beastiality becoming morally ok ...
as to a rational base for morality .. im not sure people are that rational when it really comes down to it ..but the origins of a moral code are another topic...

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ikabod
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Message 37 of 170 (415085)
08-08-2007 3:56 AM
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08-07-2007 12:54 PM


as i said i belive given the current moral stance , at least in the UK , with which i am familiar ..Yes ...bestiality is immoral?
personaly i lack the knowleged to make a true responce .. i do not know and understand the motiviation's behind it ... partly the problem is its a cover-all term , for those who "love" a individual animal , to those who have "sex" with animals ...
i think i can consider it from a objective point and avoid the colouring of disgust .. and i can see the rationals behind the lack of concent , and at the same time our lack of concent when we farm and eat and kep as pets the animals .
i guess im unsure IF it is a moral question ...or a matter of personal taste , vs animal protection issues
A majority decision is after all just a collection of personal views..
Surely the personal view regards the morality of a given activity should be a rational decision rather than one based on disgust or other such subjective criteria?
.. in an idea world yes ..but to oftern personal gets over writern by desire to conform , to be one of the crowd , to be NOT seen as siding with the questionable ... and morality is one of those areas where the ones who "shout" often carry the majority with them .. reason get pushed down the list of factors effecdting decision making ....

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ikabod
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Message 38 of 170 (415086)
08-08-2007 4:03 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Chiroptera
08-07-2007 1:48 PM


by compromise i was meaning its made up of those fadctors which upset the majority the least , while at the same time what a major faction of that majority will put up with , but is set by those few who "shout" loadest ..
and yes i fully agree seperating current moral code from the legal pressures is near impossible ...
and again i agree .. what each of us view as "the moral system" does often vary .. and we do need to compare notes to insure we are talking the same language .....

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