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Faith 
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Message 61 of 66 (740513)
11-05-2014 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by ringo
11-05-2014 12:29 PM


EASY does it
I've already said I think some find it on their own, but you've been saying things that sound like they have to make some kind of effort and I'm trying to say the whole reason it is easy, when it is easy, is that your mind has been changed and you now hate what you formerly loved or loved enough to cling to it even when you knew it was bad for you.
I still have the book in mind that Iano keeps bringing up, and from what he's said that's the whole psychology of its being EASY to quit. It can't be easy if there is even a shred of desire to continue smoking, it's the desire that has to go and that's a huge attitude change. You cannot bring it about by any kind of will power. In my case I prayed to quit but the psychology of HOW I quit was that I totally lost all desire to smoke and even had some hostility to it. The key word in all of this is "EASY."
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Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 62 of 66 (740516)
11-05-2014 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by New Cat's Eye
11-05-2014 2:11 PM


Cat's Eye writes:
Your brain will overcome the addiction even if you don't want it to.
But seriously, how often does that happen against your will? And as a side note, what would the legal penalty be for locking somebody up and forcing him off heroin?

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ringo
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Message 63 of 66 (740518)
11-05-2014 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Faith
11-05-2014 2:14 PM


Re: EASY does it
Faith writes:
... you've been saying things that sound like they have to make some kind of effort and I'm trying to say the whole reason it is easy, when it is easy, is that your mind has been changed....
I don't know. I haven't been here so I'm not going to pontificate about how "easy" it can be. Even if it can be done by just "changing your attitude", it doesn't seem that that is something you can easily do (by yourself). The major difficulty seems to be to realize that it can be easy.

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Message 64 of 66 (740519)
11-05-2014 2:32 PM
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11-05-2014 2:24 PM


But seriously, how often does that happen against your will?
It has happened to me twice so far.
There was a drug that I used to do that I got physically addicted to and I couldn't stop using it. Then I couldn't (and still can't) find it anymore and I haven't done it since. That was years ago. The physical addiction is totally gone.
In another instance, I quit smoking because I had gotten really sick and was in the hospital for a week or so. I was simply unable to take nicotine and when I got out the addiction was over. I would have smoked in my hospital bed if I could have.
And as a side note, what would the legal penalty be for locking somebody up and forcing him off heroin?
Depends on why you're locking them up...
There's plenty of former drug addicts who got clean after they were locked up on drug charges.

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Faith 
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Message 65 of 66 (740520)
11-05-2014 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by ringo
11-05-2014 2:31 PM


Re: EASY does it
Good grief you manage to make a problem out of anything. The whole point of the book is that it can be easy and I'm giving examples of myself and others where it WAS easy and I figure the book has managed to capture the psychology of how that happens.
But talking to someone who has to make a problem where there is none is awfully wearing.
ABE: The point of this method is that you AREN'T doing it on your own. Good grief, follow the argument. The point is that there is a method that claims to make it EASY. The fact that it is usually difficult and a huge struggle is what the method is dealing with for crying out loud, and I've tried to present the reasoning so that it should be clear how it COULD work for the great number it is claimed to work for. To keep bringing up the usual struggles people have in this context is ridiculous, especially since you AREN'T GETTING THE POINT and keep saying irrelevangt things about how hard it is for people.
What I'm trying to do here is make a case for those who are trying to quit to TRY THIS BOOK because it does embody a method that makes it EASY for many and it might make it easy for them.
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ringo
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Message 66 of 66 (740529)
11-05-2014 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Faith
11-05-2014 2:38 PM


Re: EASY does it
Faith writes:
Good grief you manage to make a problem out of anything. The whole point of the book is that it can be easy and I'm giving examples of myself and others where it WAS easy and I figure the book has managed to capture the psychology of how that happens.
Huh?
I'm just trying to reconcile "easy" with how hard it usually is. Pardon me if it isn't immediately obvious.

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