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Larni
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Message 106 of 131 (471795)
06-18-2008 10:16 AM
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06-18-2008 8:06 AM


Re: You got me.
A good question to ask is 'why have our brains evolved to make the fundamental attribution error?'

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Message 107 of 131 (471809)
06-18-2008 11:17 AM
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06-18-2008 10:16 AM


Re: You got me.
A good question to ask is 'why have our brains evolved to make the fundamental attribution error?'
What if it's a sign that your brain is in the process of evolving from recognising this error in your thinking??

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Larni
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Message 108 of 131 (471821)
06-18-2008 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by pelican
06-18-2008 11:17 AM


Not quite.
The thing is our brains evolved to work this way because it is a short cut. A short cut that is prone to error but as any body who knows anything about evolution will tell you it is good enough.
That is to say it is correct more often than it is not. Most of the time some one with the spelling and grammatical capacity of a cat's arse is not going to hold much in the way of intellectual credability.
Note that this is not always the case but it is in such frequency that it is a logical short cut to assume such.
It sucks when it is assumed about oneself but them's the breaks.
It's not fair to make assumptions but we do 'cause it's often quicker and (more times than not) correct.

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pelican
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Message 109 of 131 (471878)
06-18-2008 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Larni
06-18-2008 3:21 PM


Re: Not quite.
Most of the time some one with the spelling and grammatical capacity of a cat's arse is not going to hold much in the way of intellectual credability.
in·tel·lect (ntl-kt)
n.
1.
a. The ability to learn and reason; the capacity for knowledge and understanding.
b. The ability to think abstractly or profoundly.
Do you think intellect relies on correct spelling?
It's a short cut to judging not comprehending. It isn't termed 'error' for nothing.
It sucks when it is assumed about oneself but them's the breaks.
It sucks when excellent posts are ignored because the reader can't see past the need to judge and correct the author.

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Larni
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Message 110 of 131 (471921)
06-19-2008 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by pelican
06-18-2008 8:12 PM


Re: Not quite.
pelican writes:
Do you think intellect relies on correct spelling?
If someone writes like a child they most likely are.
Show me a post that has more than 2 spelling and 2 grammatical errors per line that makes a decent argument and I will concede the point.
Edited by Larni, : Spelling mistakes, obviously.

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pelican
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Message 111 of 131 (471997)
06-19-2008 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Larni
06-19-2008 9:21 AM


Re: Not quite.
pelican writes:
Do you think intellect relies on correct spelling?
Larni : If someone writes like a child they most likely are.
This makes two clear points to me, Larni.
1. Posters on this forum think of themselves as intellectuals.
2. You are judgemental.
Show me a post that has more than 2 spelling and 2 grammatical errors per line that makes a decent argument and I will concede the point.
The positive apect's in human life are generally those that feel good. The negatves generally feel bad. Is that the crietria for differenciating the two.
Or maybe you could refer to the opening post? lol

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Larni
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Message 112 of 131 (472047)
06-20-2008 4:01 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by pelican
06-19-2008 9:58 PM


Re: Not quite.
pelican writes:
if the word is recognizable and in context, what is the big problem?
How have I not answered your question?
pelican writes:
1. Posters on this forum think of themselves as intellectuals.
2. You are judgemental.
I think to tar everyone on this site (including yourself) as thinking of themselves as an intellectual is erroneous.
I am judgmental; but then who is not? That's my point. People will judge people on how and what they write because how and what we write is often an indicator of the qualities of the individual. Not always, but enough to make it a valid short cut for assessing other people quickly.

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Message 113 of 131 (472057)
06-20-2008 7:07 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Larni
06-20-2008 4:01 AM


Concede
That is your answer? The problem with incorrect spelling (even though it is recognizable and in context) is that people are judgemental and justify their judgements by the presence of incorrect spelling. Oh that's alright then.
Larni : Show me a post that has more than 2 spelling and 2 grammatical errors per line that makes a decent argument and I will concede the point.
Pelican : The positive apect's in human life are generally those that feel good. The negatves generally feel bad. Is that the crietria for differenciating the two.
You asked for examples of posts/points made that has incorrect spellings/grammar and still makes a decent argument. I gave you two. The one above and the one in the OP.
Are you going to concede the point?
I think to tar everyone on this site (including yourself) as thinking of themselves as an intellectual is erroneous.
P.S Sorry about the inferrence of being intellectuals. No offense intended.
Edited by pelican, : No reason given.
Edited by pelican, : No reason given.

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Larni
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Message 114 of 131 (472066)
06-20-2008 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by pelican
06-20-2008 7:07 AM


Re: Concede
pelican writes:
That is your answer? The problem with incorrect spelling (even though it is recognizable and in context) is that people are judgemental and justify their judgements by the presence of incorrect spelling. Oh that's alright then.
No. That's not what I mean.
People do make snap judgments because normally the snap judgments are accurate enough for every day use. Imagine going to an interview dressed down, not weary a suite? Would you expect to get the job?
However, I do concede the point that you can splel in scuh a wya thta slil aollws teh wrosd ot eb raed.
But I ask you, would you do it for CV?
What you you expect the reader to think? That's the point.

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pelican
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Message 115 of 131 (472072)
06-20-2008 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by Larni
06-20-2008 7:56 AM


Re: Concede
not weary a suite?
Was this a deliberate mistake?
Whether or not, it proves to me that I notice mistakes but unless I do not understand what the reader is communicatng, then it is of no consequence.
{qsPeople do make snap judgments because normally the snap judgments are accurate enough for every day use. [/qs]
I could have made a snap judgement of your mistakes. E.g if you can't be bothered to correct your spelling, then why should I be bothered to read it.
There are two sides here, The author and the reader. We all have this in common. I find the readers can make as many mistakes in their interpretation of what is written.

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Larni
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Message 116 of 131 (472079)
06-20-2008 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by pelican
06-20-2008 8:42 AM


Re: Concede
pelican writes:
I find the readers can make as many mistakes in their interpretation of what is written.
But would you not find it seaser to undertsnad something when the wrighter has spent some tuime trying to get his/her spelling just right?
If i was to writhe this way all the time how long woulf it take for you to get pissed off with having to decipher what I was actually try to say?
If I did tnot hale the thime to check what I rithe this is how it would look.
I'm sure you can reed this but do you think it is fari for me to expect that you should?

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pelican
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Message 117 of 131 (472157)
06-20-2008 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Larni
06-20-2008 9:06 AM


Re: Concede
But would you not find it seaser to undertsnad something when the wrighter has spent some tuime trying to get his/her spelling just right?
If i was to writhe this way all the time how long woulf it take for you to get pissed off with having to decipher what I was actually try to say?
If I did tnot hale the thime to check what I rithe this is how it would look.
I'm sure you can reed this but do you think it is fari for me to expect that you should?
No, not when it is deliberate.

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Larni
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Message 118 of 131 (472158)
06-20-2008 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by pelican
06-20-2008 6:30 PM


Re: Concede
So you would not accept the burden of translation if it was not deliberate?
You and me, against the world, eh?

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pelican
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Message 119 of 131 (472223)
06-21-2008 2:13 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Larni
06-20-2008 6:57 PM


Re: Concede
I will accept it if it is not deliberate. When it is deliberate, like yours, I would get pissed off, but yours wasn't difficult and if that was the best you could do then I would still love you.
However, if the content along with incorrect spelling made no sense and contained no point then it would be a different story.
As it is the content is far more important than correct spelling.
P.S are your fingers too big for the key board?
Edited by pelican, : No reason given.

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Message 120 of 131 (472234)
06-21-2008 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by pelican
06-21-2008 2:13 AM


Nonchalance
I will accept it if it is not deliberate.
What defines "deliberate"? If I know "cat" is spelled with a "c" but I spell it with a "k" is that more annoying to you if I do it because I'm stupid?
How would you distinguish intentional errors from unintentional errors to know whether you should be annoyed or not?
Is nonchalance a disability that you are willing to accommodate?

Kindly
There is a spider by the water pipe.

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