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RAZD
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Message 19 of 153 (281588)
01-25-2006 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by randman
01-25-2006 6:50 PM


Re: bottom line for me...
One of the main reasons health care costs rose so much is because of the insurance industry. What happened is there is now an extra layer of corporate beaurocracy that has to be paid, and extra paperwork, claims, etc,...
Another thing to consider is the republican move to HMO's also meant that the industry moved from a non-profit format to a business - CEO makes a ton of money - format.

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Message 33 of 153 (281844)
01-26-2006 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Wounded King
01-25-2006 10:40 AM


my results are
Economic Left/Right: -8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69
not a big surprise, as I've done this before.
some of the questions are real logical howlers:
"The freer the market, the freer the people." LOL.
and this old chestnut "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

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Message 77 of 153 (282258)
01-28-2006 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by randman
01-26-2006 11:47 PM


I'll take extreme over average any day
I usually come out very near the center on most of these things
It has been my experience that very few people report being badly out of bounds on their beliefs (although this should be possible given the few number of questions and the types of questions used) and that few people report being extreme authoritatian-conservatives, thus reported results tend to show a liberal libertarian bias ...
... or thinking people have a more liberal libertarian bias (to use your logic)
But hey, maybe I am the political center.
So? Does being at the IQ "center" mean you are better than someone with a high IQ, that your position is more rational? Do people strive to be average? Do they want their children to be average?
We know that the political spectrum is littered with people who don't really think about their politics, or else there would be more public outrage about things like spying on civilians than there ever was about a stain on a blue dress. Being half way between informed and ignorant would not be my choice.
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Message 84 of 153 (282334)
01-29-2006 3:18 PM
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01-29-2006 2:52 PM


Re: I'll take extreme over average any day
Seems like I hit a nerve....
Lol. The one on my funnybone.
frankly I don't think one's position relative to the rest of the population means all that much, in terms of truth.
Can I quote you the next time your hackles are raised?

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Message 87 of 153 (282399)
01-29-2006 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Silent H
01-29-2006 2:09 PM


Re: bottom line for me...
Dutch cuisine is notoriously bland.
There's something worse than English cooking?
I found the Dutch ristaffel (rice table) - a smorgasborg of indonesian cuisine with a dutch accent from the days of trade sailing vessels - most interesting.
... the same kind of junk food as in the US, as well as the restaurants, ...
I was recently in Puerto Rico, and was invited by the local crew to join them for lunch -- "great" I thought, I'd get to sample native cuisine in a native environment ... they went to Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Sigh.
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Message 116 of 153 (778017)
02-14-2016 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by RAZD
01-26-2006 9:12 PM


candidates on the "Political Compass"
So, many of us have already done this once or twice:
The Political Compass test.
my results are
Economic Left/Right: -8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69
Here we have the various candidates placed on the grid:
The Political Compass
quote:
The US Primary Candidates 2016
This chart extends to all areas of political thought not just to the confines of the US campaign. Accordingly, the placement of the candidates is in the context of universal political landscape. The chart will be adjusted if and when there are significant policy shifts. We are receiving many requests for the inclusion of the leaders of smaller parties. These will be added to a new presidential election chart after the major party candidates have been determined.
It's kind of like Hillary is herding the GOP candidates into the corner, which has pretty much been establishment DNC doctrine since Bill, while Bernie is over there saying "this is where we should be" ... but not extreme to the left, well to the right of my and many other posters here.
I tried to find the thread where I had compiled results from many people but could not find it. This was the last one I made:
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Message 139 of 153 (778210)
02-18-2016 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Percy
02-16-2016 9:23 AM


Re: Testing the Test
Did pretty much the same test, though I did not record my answers. I did put "strongly disagree" on the astrology question.
Economic Left/Right: 10.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 8.62
So you got higher Authoritarian and I got higher(est) Economic Right.
Maybe some answers need to have no opinion (don't matter one way or the other)?
It is also interesting to see how they graded the historical figures
It seems that the only thing that differentiates our GOP candidates from Stalin and Hitler is their economic grades, and Hitler is a little surprising there, perhaps due to government control of business (the state more important than the business)?
quote:
... Similarly Hitler, on an economic scale, was not an extreme right-winger. His economic policies were broadly Keynesian, and to the left of some of today's Labour parties. If you could get Hitler and Stalin to sit down together and avoid economics, the two diehard authoritarians would find plenty of common ground.
That seems to explain it somewhat. He could not have been totally government hands-off business though.
I'll try for a wacked-out liberal next ...
[abe] ... using the opposite answers (except #7 which I should change for WOC) I got:
Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.51
For the whacked-out liberal (WOL) ... either it is harder to be WOL or I am missing something.
[abe2] ... flipped #7 for WOC and got
Economic Left/Right: 10.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 9.08
This is the Faux Noise Nutwerk being okay to broadcast false information ...
Enjoy


Answers:
  1. If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations. -- Strongly disagree
  2. I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong. -- Strongly agree
  3. No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it. -- Strongly disagree
  4. Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races. -- Strongly agree
  5. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. -- Strongly agree
  6. Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified. -- Strongly agree
  7. There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment. -- Strongly agree
  8. People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality. -- Strongly disagree
  9. Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment. -- Strongly agree
  10. Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation. -- Strongly disagree
  11. "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a fundamentally good idea. -- Strongly disagree
  12. It's a sad reflection on our society that something as basic as drinking water is now a bottled, branded consumer product. -- Strongly disagree
  13. Land shouldn't be a commodity to be bought and sold. -- Strongly disagree
  14. It is regrettable that many personal fortunes are made by people who simply manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society. -- Strongly disagree
  15. Protectionism is sometimes necessary in trade. -- Strongly disagree
  16. The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders. -- Strongly agree
  17. The rich are too highly taxed. -- Strongly agree
  18. Those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care. -- Strongly agree
  19. Governments should penalise businesses that mislead the public. -- Strongly disagree
  20. A genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies. -- Strongly disagree
  21. The freer the market, the freer the people. -- Strongly agree
  22. Abortion, when the woman's life is not threatened, should always be illegal. -- Strongly agree
  23. All authority should be questioned. -- Strongly disagree
  24. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. -- Strongly agree
  25. Taxpayers should not be expected to prop up any theatres or museums that cannot survive on a commercial basis. -- Strongly agree
  26. Schools should not make classroom attendance compulsory. -- Strongly disagree
  27. All people have their rights, but it is better for all of us that different sorts of people should keep to their own kind. -- Strongly agree
  28. Good parents sometimes have to spank their children. -- Strongly agree
  29. It's natural for children to keep some secrets from their parents. -- Strongly disagree
  30. Possessing marijuana for personal use should not be a criminal offence. -- Strongly disagree
  31. The prime function of schooling should be to equip the future generation to find jobs. -- Strongly agree
  32. People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce. -- Strongly agree
  33. The most important thing for children to learn is to accept discipline. -- Strongly agree
  34. There are no savage and civilised peoples; there are only different cultures. -- Strongly disagree
  35. Those who are able to work, and refuse the opportunity, should not expect society's support. -- Strongly agree
  36. When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things. -- Strongly agree
  37. First-generation immigrants can never be fully integrated within their new country. -- Strongly agree
  38. What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us. -- Strongly agree
  39. No broadcasting institution, however independent its content, should receive public funding. -- Strongly agree
  40. Our civil liberties are being excessively curbed in the name of counter-terrorism. -- Strongly disagree
  41. A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system. -- Strongly agree
  42. Although the electronic age makes official surveillance easier, only wrongdoers need to be worried. -- Strongly agree
  43. The death penalty should be an option for the most serious crimes. -- Strongly agree
  44. In a civilised society, one must always have people above to be obeyed and people below to be commanded. -- Strongly agree
  45. Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all. -- Strongly agree
  46. In criminal justice, punishment should be more important than rehabilitation. -- Strongly agree
  47. It is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some criminals. -- Strongly agree
  48. The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist. -- Strongly agree
  49. Mothers may have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers. -- Strongly agree
  50. Multinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries. -- Strongly disagree
  51. Making peace with the establishment is an important aspect of maturity. -- Strongly agree
  52. Astrology accurately explains many things. -- Strongly disagree
  53. You cannot be moral without being religious. -- Strongly agree
  54. Charity is better than social security as a means of helping the genuinely disadvantaged. -- Strongly agree
  55. Some people are naturally unlucky. -- Strongly disagree
  56. It is important that my child's school instills religious values. -- Strongly agree
  57. Sex outside marriage is usually immoral. -- Strongly agree
  58. A same sex couple in a stable, loving relationship should not be excluded from the possibility of child adoption. -- Strongly disagree
  59. Pornography, depicting consenting adults, should be legal for the adult population. -- Strongly disagree
  60. What goes on in a private bedroom between consenting adults is no business of the state. -- Strongly disagree
  61. No one can feel naturally homosexual. -- Strongly agree
  62. These days openness about sex has gone too far. -- Strongly agree
Edited by RAZD, : added
Edited by RAZD, : added WOC2

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