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Percy
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Message 117 of 153 (778020)
02-14-2016 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by RAZD
02-14-2016 2:39 PM


Re: candidates on the "Political Compass"
Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85
Through most of the test I thought I'd come in close to 0,0, but the test's last two pages had a bunch of religion/science/moral type questions.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 121 of 153 (778079)
02-16-2016 9:23 AM


Testing the Test
I wonder what kind of crazy answers one has to give to be far right and authoritarian, about where Trump, Bush, Cruz and Rubio are on this chart:
So I'm going to pretend I'm a right-wing wacko and take the test again. I'll be giving what I think are the furthest right and authoritarian answers. The questions that seem absolutely crazy when answered in that way I record here:
  • Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races: Strongly agree
  • It is regrettable that many personal fortunes are made by people who simply manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society: Strongly disagree
  • The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders: Strongly agree
  • The rich are too highly taxed: Strongly agree
  • Those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care: Strongly agree
  • Abortion, when the woman's life is not threatened, should always be illegal: Strongly agree
  • An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth: Strongly agree
  • All people have their rights, but it is better for all of us that different sorts of people should keep to their own kind: Strongly agree
  • People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce: Strongly agree
  • Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all: Strongly agree
  • In criminal justice, punishment should be more important than rehabilitation: Strongly agree
  • It is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some criminals: Strongly agree
  • Astrology accurately explains many things: Strongly agree
  • You cannot be moral without being religious: Strongly agree
  • Sex outside marriage is usually immoral: Strongly agree
  • Pornography, depicting consenting adults, should be legal for the adult population: Strongly disagree
  • What goes on in a private bedroom between consenting adults is no business of the state: Strongly disagree
  • No one can feel naturally homosexual: Strongly agree
  • These days openness about sex has gone too far: Strongly agree
This wacko's political compass:
Economic Left/Right: 7.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 9.54
Gee, the wacko scored about the same as the Republican candidates, just a little above Trump's dot on the chart. It's scary that not only are all the Republican candidates crammed up in the far right corner, but Hillary is pretty far into that quadrant, too.
The only candidate with a score that reflects a pattern of fairly moderate answers is Bernie Sanders. Maybe I should give him a closer look. Living in New Hampshire next door to Vermont where Bernie was governor I feel I already have a good understanding of his policy proposals. He seemed well intentioned, but I always thought I detected the bit of the crazy about him with qualities similar to Jerry Brown and Ralph Nader, a crazy that wasn't dangerous because he was only a governor.
I failed to score a 10/10. I wonder what answers I would have to change to score 10/10.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 125 of 153 (778087)
02-16-2016 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by New Cat's Eye
02-16-2016 10:59 AM


Re: Testing the Test
Cat Sci writes:
I think it'd be this one:
  • Astrology accurately explains many things: Strongly agree
Try a strongly disagree on that one; hard-core Christians know that Astrology comes from Satan.
Oh, yes, that makes sense.
But then maybe this question isn't a differentiator for left/right or libertarian/authoritarian. Many who know a little science would also answer "strongly disagree", right along with the deeply religious.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 130 of 153 (778118)
02-16-2016 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by NoNukes
02-16-2016 4:14 PM


Re: Testing the Test
NoNukes writes:
So where do you get Ms. Clinton's score from?
The website had a chart, there's a copy at the top of my message.
I think you're right to question that website's charting of the candidates views. Shifting them all by around -5/-5 might be closer to the truth.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 144 of 153 (778234)
02-18-2016 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Faith
02-18-2016 12:42 PM


Re: Testing the Test
Faith writes:
OF COURSE THEY AREN'T BUT IF THE TEST MAKERS GUESSED AT THOSE SCORES FOR THEM rather than Percy's having produced them from his test of the test,...
The chart comes from the test's website, RAZD included it one of his posts, too: The Political Compass
Without commenting on the test's validity or accuracy, I think the website's creators have skewed all the candidates results upward and to the right. It you read the text on the page, they even challenge Bernie Sanders credentials as politically left and Libertarian. My guess is that they never tried to approximate how the various candidates would have answered their test questions, but that they just plopped the candidates down on their chart where they felt they belonged.
Or to put it another way, when one is to the left of Karl Marx and more Libertarian than Howard Stern, everyone looks conservative.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Typo: "enough" => "another"

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